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Title: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Bryan Payne on May 30, 2010, 08:02:10 AM
Taking a wild stab in the dark here and see if anyone else actually watched the Blackhawks and the Flyers last night? 

Insane game, and if the rest of the series is like that I for one am glued.  Lot of technical break downs as far as defense goes but it sure made for an exciting game, and one that if you've ever been a casual fan of hockey I do recommend watching if the rest of the series is anything like that.



Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Ian "Wolfie" Trumps on May 30, 2010, 08:31:03 AM
Being a chicago fan I am casual Blackhawks...but I dont really watch Hockey so any info you can keep us updated with over seas would be great.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Bryan Payne on May 30, 2010, 09:20:19 AM
Great back and forth game.  Final of 6-5 Blackhawks. 
It just went back and forth 1-1   2-1..... 2-2.... 2-3.... 3-3   Just no one ever got more than a one goal advantage and it went into the third period tied up at 4. 

There were a surprising number of defensive break downs in this game, the Fliers especially I expected to play better defense and I expected that to be the real battle... the Hawks forwards against Pronger and Philly Defense pairings... namely Pronger vs the Kane line... it turned into just an up and down the ice shoot out.  I haven't checked the final totals but it seemed and they mentioned several times that Philly did get the most shots on goal.  At one point the Blackhawks only got three shots at Leighton in 10 minutes of the game.. but two of them went in.

It was the kind of game that gives you a heart attack every five seconds because just the other team had an answer every time... the way that game went I STILL can't believe philly didn't tie it up for overtime.

Game two should be interesting as I think both groups of defensemen are going to get a royal reaming from the coach...  I'm not a hockey expert, but even I could see it was almost like they didn't know what they were supposed to be doing at times. 

As a Chicago fan Ian you'd be interested to know they put a blackhawks jersey on the statue of Michael Jordan hehe.


Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Ian "Wolfie" Trumps on May 30, 2010, 09:36:50 AM
I use to be a decent Blackhawks fan back in the 90s...but havent watched them for years so I can hardly consider myself loyal, though I hope they win!
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Bryan Payne on May 30, 2010, 09:40:32 AM
Looks likely unless someone fixes the holes in the D..  I don't see the Flyers winning a straight up and down the ice shoot out very often.. not with the way Leighton and Boucher played last night anyway...

in any event...  highly enjoyable game warts and all.  If possible I recommend watching game 2 just to see if it turns into the same thing.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Sally Screw on May 30, 2010, 11:21:26 AM
I saw the game and was moaning and groaning each goal... the way I love my hockey to be. Luckily for me, the Hawks pulled it out. I will be surprised if Boucher gets the nod in goal in game two, and although he let in a ton of goals, Niemi should be the Blackhawks goalie all the way.

The impression I was getting was that each side was thinking that "their" defense would counter the other team just like it had for the entire playoff run, allowing the offense to take a few more chances. However, that was not the case and just ended up causing turn over after turn over as players got caught out of position, thinking someone else would cover for them.

Look for a different game next time as the coaches correct that flaw.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Cory on May 30, 2010, 11:42:19 AM
Hate hockey, but being a canadian and a fan from the late 90s (ONLY)....cheering for the Flyers. They play like an old school team, and I'd be a nice story.
Scott Hartnalls mullet FTW!
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Bryan Payne on May 30, 2010, 12:18:44 PM
Hockey is damn near to being the perfect sport.  It's fast... you can lay money that someone is going to get punched in the mouth, and now and then someone's going to try to perform a big boot kick with a razor blade strapped to their foot.  And in the meantime they're firing a hardened piece of rubber at each other at about 120mph...  and doing their best to ram each other though Plexiglas windows..... honestly... what's not to like?

But.... I can't root for Philly, just don't have it in me.  For one thing the fan reaction to the Philly loss will be as entertaining as the game itself... it always is. 

Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Geordie on May 30, 2010, 12:22:52 PM
The Flyers aren't going to be fazed by that Game 1 loss.  After all, they did come back from 3-0 down in the second round to take out Boston (Ironically, there was also down 3-0 in Game 7, ended up winning 4-3).

Anyway, that was an... Interesting game, to say the least.  I imagine that it'll be a much different Game 2, with perhaps more of an emphasis on playing physical and tightening up the defensive play on both sides.

I have a feeling we're going to see Boucher starting before the end of the series, but I don't think it will be in Game 2.  Peter Laviolette normally has faith in his goalies, particularly after an off-night (See: 2006 Playoffs - He kept his starter in for 2 games before switching to the rookie who wound up becoming Playoff MVP.)  So, I think he goes back with Leighton for Game 2, and if he shits the bed again, they go to Boucher going forward.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Cory on May 30, 2010, 12:25:05 PM
I donno, i think hockey has left the 'big hit' era and is moved towards the speed era.

Having sidney crosby/parents living like 5 minutes away from me doesn't help, but hockeys changed. Its no the old school, huge hits/fights/gritty play wins you championships like the Devils in the 90's, its more about the quick fast players (dont know any names...sorry crosby and ovechken). Anytime theres a hit thats worth watching, 2/3s of the time the hitters getting suspended.

Its obviously better for the game, but for someone whose only roots towards hockey was the violence of guys like Scott Stevens and Donald Brasher, the days of those guys is past, and I just cant stand a 6-4 game. Call my old fashioned, but I like when 3-1 was a HUGE score.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Sally Screw on May 30, 2010, 06:35:42 PM
Quote from: Cory on May 30, 2010, 12:25:05 PM
Call my old fashioned, but...

OK, you're old fashioned.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Fnord on May 30, 2010, 08:17:01 PM
Not a hockey fan here, but I'm in Chicago and gotta support my Hawks.  I think last night's game was the highest scoring game I've ever seen!  :o
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Geordie on May 30, 2010, 10:38:28 PM
It's official, Leighton's starting Game 2 for the Broad Street Bullies (a.k.a. Flyers, for those not in the know.)

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=323143 (http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=323143)
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Ian "Wolfie" Trumps on May 31, 2010, 06:34:41 AM
I was a Hawks fan back in the days of Chris Chellios, Jeremy Roenick and Steve Larmer and a brief flirtation with Amonte. Apart from that I am totally clueless whos in the team these days as we dont get good coverage here in the UK. Still its a Chicago team lets see em do some damage!
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Bryan Payne on May 31, 2010, 07:19:36 AM
Well... today the Hawks are a "young gun" kind of team.  (seems to be a theme lately in Chicago... baby bulls... these guys)  

Sharp  at center... had a huge game in the first..
you might recognize the name John Madden who also plays center for them..
Marion Hossa, Patrick Kane... who is probably destined to be one of the anchors for Team USA hockey for the next two decades , Dustin Byfuglien... another rookie who's had a great post season..    
Antti Niemi and Cristobal Huet in the net.

they've got a few veterans on the team, but for the most part what makes them exciting is knowing if they keep these young guys together they're going to be good for a long... long time.

Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Geordie on May 31, 2010, 10:30:08 AM
B-Payne's got it pretty much right, except Byfuglien's actually in his third season.  :P

Anyway, I'm definitely looking forward to tonight's game :D I think the Flyers will come back with a stronger effort this time around because they've proven that they don't allow opponents to really get under their skin in the playoffs.  Plus, I expect them to have a bit more of an edge tonight as I believe Daniel Carcillo (One of the league's best agitators, even if his discipline's called into question) should draw back into the lineup.

We'll see what happens, though.  If Philadelphia can escape with a split of the first 2 games heading back to the Wachovia Center for the next two, look out.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Level-One on May 31, 2010, 11:04:23 AM
I want the blackhawks to lose just because of Hossa. The Hossa curse strikes, AGAIN! I mean, three years now. Three years in a fucking row, this would be. The guy hops from team to team, makes the conference finals and loses. Please, LET IT BE!

I'm cruel; and bitter, my Flames didn't make the playoffs. So, might as well cheer on bad will, right?

At least, my Lakers are still in the NBA playoffs. Finals. They'll do it again.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Bryan Payne on May 31, 2010, 11:23:34 PM
'Hawks pulled out the second game 2-0, putting them two games up in the series as it moves to Philly for game three.  The first period was more hardnosed, but it seemed a bit forced....  for evidence consider the decapitation two Flyer's players committed on each other trying to hit one of the Hawks.  They take a running start the hawk player just stops and crash bang boom I'm surprised one of them even got up... and top it off one of the two guys who just killed their own team got a penalty called on them for their trouble!

Second period it seemed like Philly went on offense trying to change the pace of the game now that they had confidence that their goalie had regained his confidence... one problem...  the hawks are still better at that open ice style of game than Philly is.   The penalty kill for Philly held up pretty well considering, but I'm not sure what they do for game three... if they get any more physical they're going to spend half the game shorthanded and that goalie has got to be rocked right now mentally.. not sure you want to open him up for that kind of target practice with blood already in the water.

Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Geordie on June 01, 2010, 10:26:17 AM
The Flyers actually scored in the 3rd, so it was 2-1.

With that aside, I think your depiction of the game was pretty accurate.  Philly tried to do a bit too much in the early going, and they're lucky they didn't get burned.  In fact, it looked like Philly was about to break through when Chicago scored twice in a span 28 seconds toward the end of the 2nd period.

Hawks are 2 games from the Cup one way or the other, though.  With the incompetency of their previous GM (Incorrectly filing new deals for players coming out of their entry-level contracts, forcing them to be signed at a much higher price), I think they realize that this might be their one really good shot at it.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Duckman on June 01, 2010, 05:39:18 PM
I know nothing of this sport you call Hockey, but did find this little snippet on the wrestling observer website that is quite funny:

-- CM Punk and Tony Chimmel have a Stanley Cup playoff bet going, as revealed last night on Right After Wrestling Radio. The bet is that is the Hawks win the Stanley Cup, Tony Chimmel has to announce CM Punk hailing from "The home of the Stanley Cup champion Chicago Blackhawks, Chicago IL" and if Philly wins the Stanley Cup then CM Punk has to cut a promo where he says "this city is not nearly as good as Philadelphia".

Peace

Duckman
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Bryan Payne on June 01, 2010, 10:26:00 PM
Nice, lol.  It's looking like a pretty safe bet for Punk actually... 

Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Bryan Payne on June 04, 2010, 09:28:26 AM
oops forgot to update this the other day.  Philly did manage to pull out Game 3...  4-3 in OT.

I think it might be becoming clear that Philly has the best single line on the ice when it's on the ice with Pronger.  But overall I think the Blackhawks are a bit deeper at forward.  If all the games are going to be this close I still have to give the advantage to the Hawks.  Game four will tell us a lot.. we already know that it doesn't look like we're going to see any stoppage of the game being decided in the closing minutes of the all the games.... don't expect to see blow outs in this one and that's a good thing.

Side note as far as the blackhawks are concerned... christ.. Philly might want to consider trying to avoid the bad penalties... oh and while they're at it...  maybe watch Sharp when he's on the ice...  just a thought.



Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Bryan Payne on June 05, 2010, 08:49:43 AM
Philly wins game 4 ties up the series which now heads back to Chicago.  Most of this game was all Philly who proved they really can dominate this game...

but then, heading into the last half of the third period with a three goal lead they came within a single inch of this game being set to overtime.  In the last half of the third period it was like the Philly team forgot the discipline and hard nosed mentality that got them the lead and frankly got banged around the the blackhawks who almost stole this one.

Philly has at least proven they've got a shot here.... cause at some point Philly has to be able to do this at chicago as game five and seven are in chicago to have a shot at winning this series. 

What I'm digging about these games is that even in a mostly one sided game the winning team barely pulled it out in the end.  Exciting stuff to watch.

Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Doug E Fresh on June 05, 2010, 09:47:36 AM
The Cup Playoffs have been the most exciting in sports this year. Upsets and close and exciting games in the majority of the series in every round. People though Chicago/Philly would be a wash but it's proven to be exciting.

Marian Hossa is a curse. Philly may very well find a way to win Lord Stanley's prize and put Hossa on the losing side of the cup finals for the first time in three years.

If Chicago wants to break up the monotony, then they need to split up their front line. Toews, Kane, & Byfuglien have a total of 1 goal and 4 assists in these four games against Philly and as good as Pronger is, he's not the singular reason why these talented players are not getting the job done. Mix it up a bit.

Philly has all the momentum now. The goaltending is so questionable giving up one goal the one night and then five the next.

Chicago SHOULD win this series in 6. But I'm going to go bold and say Philly in 7. It's difficult for a team to lose the first 2 games of the Cup finals and still win it all.

But then again, the Pens did it last year!
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Bryan Payne on June 06, 2010, 08:56:12 PM
Thoughts on Period one of game five.

Someone had better remind Philly that they have a hockey game to play tonight....
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Doug E Fresh on June 06, 2010, 09:50:38 PM
I'll give thoughts since I'm here lol.

Chicago did what they needed to do and that was break up the front line. Not surprised they pulled Leighton after that crazy period but Philly stayed right with it entering period 2.

Too many penalties are killing Philly. And just saw Chicago go up 5-2 on a Byfuglien goal.

Big stat. Byfuglien/Kane/Toews in the first 4 games had 5 points combined. So far in this game they have 5 points combined. Good thing they split them up.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Bryan Payne on June 06, 2010, 11:00:56 PM
I think splitting that line up rather than not giving them that one great first line has given them three lines that you just can't point to one being the weakest. 

Kane really seemed on his game tonight when he was on the ice he really seemed to generate a lot of puck movement and scoring chances it was exciting to see as he's kind of gotten lost in the series to this point.

Unsurprisingly Sharp again  just always seems to be here when things to right for the Hawks in this series.

It was interesting  in this game... much like in the  last half of the third period last game... it was like Philly forgot that THEY not the blackhawks were supposed to be the physical team...  and got banged around quite a bit.   I don't know what Philly can do at this point to answer, if the hawks come at with his aggression where in the hell do they go for an answer?  I don't think it was really Leighton is the problem, they are allowing way too much puck movement and set up time for the blackhawks there was one of the scoring plays where literally they passed the puck to all five guys and then as soon as the fifth guy got it.. pop into the net...  I mean...  THAT's the time to put someone on their ass not stand there like you're watching a tennis match watching the ball go back and forth...

but... they've got an extra day of rest...  time to see if the hawks can capitalize and close out the series in game six.


Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Bryan Payne on June 09, 2010, 11:16:03 PM
4-3 OT win by the blackhawks to win the Stanley Cup.

The game followed most of the games of this series very back and forth anyone's game until the very end.  Game five was the only exception to that.

It seemed like the blackhawks just adjusted better that Philly... the flyers willed themselves back into it again and again, but the hawks were just too good up front... constant and there was always someone coming up  with good chances.

In the end it was Patrick Kane who made the winning goal in OT.   

Thus ends the longest championship drought in the NHL. 49 years.



Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Fnord on June 09, 2010, 11:29:54 PM
It was a good game. 
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Doug E Fresh on June 10, 2010, 09:32:48 AM
I agree good game. Lots of "how the fuck did they not score a goal" moments in the 3rd. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Stanley Cup Finals
Post by: Sally Screw on June 10, 2010, 11:30:08 AM
Great to see one of the Original 6 teams win the Cup again. Now that leaves just Toronto as the last Original 6 not to have won since 1966-67. Wow, that's a long time! Of the original 6 teams, the Detroit Red Wings last won in 2007-08, New York Rangers in 1993-94, Montreal Canadiens 1992-93, Boston Bruins in 1971-72 to go along with the Blackhawks latest win.

That's 43 years without a championship for the Leafs.

Well, it's better than the Chicago Cubs streak in baseball. They haven't won the World Series in 102 years...OVER A CENTURY !!!!