1. Fnord
2. Midas
3. Drama
4. Powers
5. Black Death
6. Franchise
7. Alex
8. Josh
9. Gravedigger
10. King
We're looking at $20 for the year. Winner gets $200 at the end of the FWL season (as long as we get 10 player). Anyone and everyone is invited to join. We're looking for a 10th (and possibly 9th depending on how King decides). The money isn't needed right away. So, for instance if you wanna send over $5 a month or something like that, I'm cool with it.
1. Fnord
2. Midas
3. Kieran King
4. Drama Queen
5. BamBamBunglow
6. Goldferg
7. Jon
8. GM Franchise
9. Sgt. Josh Underpants
10. Alex Smiley
11. PapaPancho
12. Duckman
13. Rob
14. Black Death
15. Gravedigger
16. MJ23way
This league is open to everyone new and old to join up. This will be a league with no keeper and a new draft every year. In order to join the Alpha league you have to get through a complete Omega year. We will start fresh with a new draft and everything and it will start in approximately 4 weeks when the regular FWL Season 4 season ends. Feel free to ask any questions you may have. The rules will be similar to last years with some slight changes which I will add and let everyone know this week. :)
In.
In.
In.
In (unless you jack up the price to something CRAZY)
In for max $20ish.
Assuming we can do bother alpha and omega, In for lulz :)
I'm in for this one, but not the paid one. When money is involved things become too srs.
I am in as you know but I do want to have a open discussion about some rule changes since this is becoming a money league. Beyond that lets hope we get enough people...
Sorry gents, but gonna pass on the money league.
I'll continue playing this.
In
In
Acrually... change of heart. Don't fancy it.
I will go ahead and sign up for this now, so I don't forget lol. (Debating on the Alpha league, but considering CHIKARA is in play this year...)
Yeah I'm in
No thanks
4 people in, 3 people out... what about the other 7 peeps?
I did get 3 other maybes through PM.
For those of you that said no, any particular reason why? Just curious. You don't need to answer if ya don't want. I just thought it would make it more fun to bet and get a monetary prize at the end, like Fantasy Football.
I think since this is the first year doing it this way I might allow anyone to join, even if they flunked out last year to try and increase numbers. Is anyone that left last year's FWL game for any reason interested in joining FWL Alpha?
I don't see the reason for the exclusivity aspect. If someone flakes, my feeling is "oh well, we gotcha money".
Quote from: Mike Powers on December 22, 2015, 12:13:09 AM
I don't see the reason for the exclusivity aspect. If someone flakes, my feeling is "oh well, we gotcha money".
This is true... lol
;D
I'm honestly still thinking on it
I'm going to pass guys, not a money playing type person with these games.
Thanks though and good luck with it.
I am down ...
Where this is for money, there should be an even playing field. Meaning, no 20 pt home field advantage.
Quote from: Mike Powers on December 23, 2015, 12:51:29 AM
Where this is for money, there should be an even playing field. Meaning, no 20 pt home field advantage.
Seconded
Yeah I'll play in the non-money league.
I'll play if it's cool
In
No problem. I can take that out.
What other rules did anyone want to discuss about changing?
The more the merrier!
For either/both leagues, have we come to a consensus on the trade voting? IIRC we discussed only taking a trade to a vote if it was challenged (aka someone else had a concern about the trade). Dunno if that was a sure thing, so I thought I'd bring it up.
well would like to discuss once the playoffs begin , you are set with your team. no more trades after a certain point. you take the team you got with you to the finals
Quote from: Black Death on December 24, 2015, 10:36:20 PM
well would like to discuss once the playoffs begin , you are set with your team. no more trades after a certain point. you take the team you got with you to the finals
This I agree with. I also think, to add to this, you can ONLY make a waiver claim IF you have an injured player that needs to be replaced. That's it.
Quote from: Fnord on December 23, 2015, 06:46:43 PM
No problem. I can take that out.
What other rules did anyone want to discuss about changing?
Take it out of both leagues. Not a fan of it and never have been. For extremely close games a team can lose because of that when in reality they won the week points wise. :)
Quote from: Alex Smiley on December 24, 2015, 12:37:51 PM
For either/both leagues, have we come to a consensus on the trade voting? IIRC we discussed only taking a trade to a vote if it was challenged (aka someone else had a concern about the trade). Dunno if that was a sure thing, so I thought I'd bring it up.
Only if it's challenged and not every trade, I agree with.
Quote from: Black Death on December 24, 2015, 10:36:20 PM
well would like to discuss once the playoffs begin , you are set with your team. no more trades after a certain point. you take the team you got with you to the finals
I agree with the above. Even though it is something I used heavily to my advantage last year, I know it's kind of cheap.
Quote from: GM Franchise on December 25, 2015, 02:52:21 PM
This I agree with. I also think, to add to this, you can ONLY make a waiver claim IF you have an injured player that needs to be replaced. That's it.
The problem with waivers is it gives the away team advantage... the point of playing well all season is to give yourself home field advantage in the play-offs, but if a rookie suddenly becomes a huge player, then the teams who did horrible all year have first dibs. So I would agree with this also.
Any more sign ups for Omega? We've got 3 more weeks until the draft!
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So far we have 6 people in and 3 maybes. 10 would be the ideal number, but we'll work with whatever we can get. :)
So guys where are we at with this? Once the playoffs start in the current season I believe we can start drafting at any point and I only see 6 people signed up for the Alpha League...
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6 does seem kinda low. I expected a better turnout....
I'll give this another shot....
So with only 6 people signed up for the Alpha League I was talking to Fnord and we wanted to strike up this convo to see what about the Alpha League makes it undesirable to most people...
I live in Chicago and own a restaurant so $20 to me really isn't anything and I spend money on stupid shit all the time so my value of $20 is low... Hell I am going to go piss away $20 on a Powerball right after I finish this post...
Some people on these forums might live in smaller towns and have less expendable income and value $20 more then anything... I can see that point of view and understand it fully!
Some people just might not have the money to spend and in this day and age I understand this fully...
I have also seen people say that money ruins the game and they won't commit money to a game like this and I was wondering if those who felt that was could see some changes being made that would make it worthy of committing $20 dollars...
The overall point of this post is to basically find out if there is any way Fnord and I can fix the Alpha League in order to atleast get 10 people. If you are on the fence and want to talk about it then feel free, if you want to hit me up in private to talk about it you guys can do that also...
Honestly right now id be more willing if we did a $10 buy in.
Alex is in. Now Josh and King just need to jump from maybe to in and then we get one more person out of the blue and we have our 10!
Quote from: Sgt. Josh Underpants on January 10, 2016, 06:14:34 PM
Honestly right now id be more willing if we did a $10 buy in.
I understand and I appreciate you bringing that up...
Josh is in now...
As I just told Fnord in PMs, I tend to avoid games like this that involve money. It almost always results in somebody taking things too seriously/becoming overly invested in it and then ruining the fun for everyone else.
Quote from: Kieran King on January 10, 2016, 10:11:21 PM
As I just told Fnord in PMs, I tend to avoid games like this that involve money. It almost always results in somebody taking things too seriously/becoming overly invested in it and then ruining the fun for everyone else.
I understand you concerns and I respect them but if you give me a brief moment I would like to offer a counter to that thought process...
For several years now Ian ran the MFX Fantasy Football League with a buy in of $10 and not once have I seen anyone get offended or upset with regards to that. If I am not mistaken you did not partake in the fantasy football league but I feel it is a great example of how us here on these boards can put a little money down for a fantasy game and not let cause problems...
I will admit that I cannot tell the future and cannot say with certainty that this would not occur so I respect your opinion and understand completely.
I appreciate you coming online and expressing your opinion and hope that your reconsider and play in the Alpha League this year making you our 9th team.
I, personally, don't think anyone would get too serious or overly invested.
Reasons I changed my mind;
1. I have seen in other places and other games, people take shit too far when money's concerned, especially in terms of th usual "friendly banter". It's fun to mock someone when they've been beaten in an imaginary game. But mocking them when they've been beaten in an imaginary game AND have just been denied X amount of money... yeah, you'll get a different reaction then.
2. Me. There were at least 2 instances in this year's league where something rules wise happened that I disagreed with. I'm a very "letter of the rules" kinda guy. If money were to be involved and something happened ruleswise I didn't agree with, I'd be likely to argue 'til I rage quit.
3. The "Winner take all" I'm not a fan of. I'd much rather see it split into 40/30/20/10 for top 4, or some other arbitrary number.
Too many grey areas for rules that I would take advantage of and argue for if money were involved. For example with the inclusion of more independent shows why couldn't I play so and so as a non title in NJPW even if he is a title holder in ROH. Not to mention ROH's lack of consistency at airing shows means unlike fantasy football where the games take place all in the same week when they are scheduled I could lose or win based on not skill but luck of when they do a massive IPPV dump.
Quote from: BamBamBunglow on January 11, 2016, 01:32:37 AM
Reasons I changed my mind;
1. I have seen in other places and other games, people take shit too far when money's concerned, especially in terms of th usual "friendly banter". It's fun to mock someone when they've been beaten in an imaginary game. But mocking them when they've been beaten in an imaginary game AND have just been denied X amount of money... yeah, you'll get a different reaction then.
2. Me. There were at least 2 instances in this year's league where something rules wise happened that I disagreed with. I'm a very "letter of the rules" kinda guy. If money were to be involved and something happened ruleswise I didn't agree with, I'd be likely to argue 'til I rage quit.
3. The "Winner take all" I'm not a fan of. I'd much rather see it split into 40/30/20/10 for top 4, or some other arbitrary number.
1) Like I said above I cannot predict how others would react and have stated before that $20 to me has a different value then others so I cannot say "It is only $20" because IMO it is only $20 but to others it could have a higher value. I don't feel anyone getting upset over $20 is worth it but as stated above I cannot tell the future.
2) I don't recall any rules being violated but I guess you could be referring to the fact that trades were pushed before a blanket 24 hour deadline, which I have been told you were vocal about.
3) I do not agree with this... It is $20 dollars... I mean with 10 people the grand prize is $200 dollars so splitting that up amongst several people makes no sense to me but that is a personal opinion.
I see these opinions of yours and understand why you do not join... I would love for you to reconsider or maybe talk out some of your concerns with us so maybe we can lay down new rules or set certain things in stone that would allow you to feel comfortable playing. This entire thing is flexible and has been flexible each year so your opinion does matter.
Quote from: ¿PapaPancho? on January 11, 2016, 11:29:23 AM
Too many grey areas for rules that I would take advantage of and argue for if money were involved. For example with the inclusion of more independent shows why couldn't I play so and so as a non title in NJPW even if he is a title holder in ROH. Not to mention ROH's lack of consistency at airing shows means unlike fantasy football where the games take place all in the same week when they are scheduled I could lose or win based on not skill but luck of when they do a massive IPPV dump.
This is all true... Not much Fnord or I could do to change that and we try our best to run this league as best as possible... We were hoping that keeping the money low would allow for people to take these unchangable aspects with a grain of salt. This is a case where certain people like yourself do not feel comfortable risking any amount of money regardless of the value for something like this...
I understand that and cannot do much to change that opinion... Thank you for voicing your opinion...
With this Alpha league I myself have rule changes that I want made before I commit and it is simply a matter of expressing them and if Fnord will adjust then you join and if he will not then you pass... For example here are a couple of the changes I would like made to the Alpha now that it is involving money:
* I would like Fnord to submit his waiver wire picks to the co-mod (Midas) prior to the deadline so there is physical proof of his choices...
* I would like a strict deadline for all waiver wire picks with no exceptions for ANYONE for any reason!
* I would like for any team that fails to submit a line up by deadline to have their previous weeks line up used so that no team gets a auto win.
* I would like for waiver wire to no longer be reverse order but instead each week when a person submits a waiver they are moved to the back of the line.
These are just a couple of my opinions... Does he have to take them into account and do them? NO! Do I have to play? NO! But none the less I can make a suggestion so I guess what I am saying is that if someone is on the fence and would like things changed before they join then simply mention it and lets see what we can do... Nothing is set in stone just yet as we all want to be happy with the way things are.
Fnord asked me about this league earlier... I'll take a spot.
All we need now is for King to come to his senses! (j/k, but really... lol) or someone else to pop up out of nowhere and we're all set!
Anymore interested people for this league? Sign-ups are closing soon!
So, about that 10th....?
Quote from: Mike Powers on January 17, 2016, 02:16:35 PM
So, about that 10th....?
I really don't know how to get the 10th person... I have asked a lot of people if they are interested and it seems like no one is... Can't do the Alpha league with 9 so honestly I don't know where we stand right now... I do believe Fnord wants to start both drafts at some point this week so lets hope something changes... If I am not mistaken the Omega is 15 and we need a even number for that one also.
Yeah, I don't know. I didn't think we'd have that much of a problem finding 10 people. We might have to go back down just the one league w/keepers again this year and re-evaluate until next year.
Quote from: Fnord on January 17, 2016, 04:19:06 PM
Yeah, I don't know. I didn't think we'd have that much of a problem finding 10 people. We might have to go back down just the one league w/keepers again this year and re-evaluate until next year.
So what you are saying is that if we can't find another person for the Alpha league then the Omega league is gone and it is just one league again for no money and we still get to use our keepers?
Possibly, unless I can think of another solution.
I'm honestly ok with just being in the Omega league... so if playing with eight helps you guys go ahead, I'm happy to bow out.
Well the bright side is that if we are forced to 86 the Alpha League, everyone that is in the Alpha is already signed up for the Omega league with the exception of Mike Powers...
I presume Mike Powers will sign up for the Omega league which would become the only league and we would have 16...
Quote1. Fnord
2. Midas
3. Kieran King
4. Drama Queen
5. BamBamBunglow
6. Goldferg
7. Jon
8. GM Franchise
9. Sgt. Josh Underpants
10. Alex Smiley
11. PapaPancho
12. Duckman
13. Rob
14. Black Death
15. Gravedigger
16. Mike Powers
Presuming we follow the tradition of the previous year the draft would be:
Quote1.Alex Smiley
2. Drama Queen
3. Mike Powers
4. Black Death
5. GM Franchise
6. Sgt. Josh Underpants
7. Jon
8. BamBamBunglow
9. PapaPancho
10. Kieran King
11. Goldferg
12. Midas
13. Fnord
14. Duckman
15. Rob
16. Gravedigger
Now on this list the first 13 would have to choose a keeper from their current roster and then the remaining 3 would be able to choose a keeper from the available wrestlers...
Quote from: Drama Queen on January 17, 2016, 05:56:24 PM
I'm honestly ok with just being in the Omega league... so if playing with eight helps you guys go ahead, I'm happy to bow out.
The final decision is really up to Fnord on this one but IMO I want a 10 person Alpha League not a 8 person Alpha League... I respect the decision of people not to want to pony up $20 dollars to play in the Alpha league but I don't agree with it... The amount of money that Fnord and myself have spent on wrestling over the last 4 seasons to run this league leaves me finding it hard to swallow the thought process that out of the 7 people who are willing to play for free we cannot get one of them to play for $20. But hey no one asked me to spend money on this league so I guess I am the fool!
It seems like the people in the Omega League like the non-keeper aspect so knowing that going down to 1 league puts us back to keepers for everyone brings me great joy. However is Fnord wants to accept your departure from the Alpha League and run it at 8 then I am on board.
My vote is 1 league with no money and stick with the 16 players we have.
If we don't get the 10th and this fails, yes I'll join the omega.
Ah fuck it.
In.
Was gonna say if this doesn't happen and we have to do 1 league with keepers then I am out
Draft order will be randomized yes?
Yep. As soon as I figure out a way to divide 15 evenly or get that magic 16th member I'll random.org it and give out the order.
Quote from: Fnord on January 18, 2016, 01:51:57 PM
Yep. As soon as I figure out a way to divide 15 evenly or get that magic 16th member I'll random.org it and give out the order.
I have a friend who is interested in joining... He would make the number 16 we need, I sent him a text message and will likely hear back from him after he is done with work.
I am about 95% sure he is in, just a matter of him setting up an account and posting...
Okay so my friend is in... That makes our 16th person, tonight he is going to come over and watch Raw so I will help him set up an account on MFX and get it all set...
I'm fine with this being a keeper league, but now that we're paying are we resetting for the 1st season? i.e. whoever has Roman Reigns doesn't hold onto him due to luck of the draw from 2 seasons ago?
Can we have a comprehensive list of changes to this league?
Quote from: Kieran King on January 19, 2016, 02:27:38 AM
I'm fine with this being a keeper league, but now that we're paying are we resetting for the 1st season? i.e. whoever has Roman Reigns doesn't hold onto him due to luck of the draw from 2 seasons ago?
I had Reigns and I'm not playing Alpha, so he wouldn't appear as a keeper anyway. He's be first pick for whoever was top of the list ;)
Okay Fnord is at work so likely he won't be able to answer your questions for a while but allow me to explain a few things as I know it. He is currently working on what you all are asking for...
Quote from: Kieran King on January 19, 2016, 02:27:38 AM
I'm fine with this being a keeper league, but now that we're paying are we resetting for the 1st season? i.e. whoever has Roman Reigns doesn't hold onto him due to luck of the draw from 2 seasons ago?
At this point the Alpha League is a continuation of the current FWL league and keepers are still in place...
Quote1. Alex
2. Drama
3. Powers
4. Black Death
5. Franchise
6. Josh
7. King
8. Midas
9. Fnord
10. Gravedigger
This is the current draft order based on FWL Season 4 final standing, Gravedigger who is new and has no team will be placed on the bottom of the list. At this point each player starting with Drama must choose a keeper from their existing team. We are starting with Drama because Alex is forced to keep Kevin Owens due to the rule that he was out of playoff contention this current year and could only submit a waiver for a player he intended on using as a keeper barring injury.
Drama must choose from his current team, if he chooses not to pick from his current team that is allowed... At that point Drama's name is placed at the bottom of the list and his entire team is released and available for pick up. The new draft order would then be...
Quote1. Alex --- Kevin Owens
2. Powers
3. Black Death
4. Franchise
5. Josh
6. King
7. Midas
8. Fnord
9. Gravedigger
10. Drama
Now we continue the draft and Powers is up, he has the right to choose from his team or do like Drama and move to the back of the list and release his entire team. Keeping in mind guys that this would be the draft order for the entire draft...
So to answer your question King... Gravedigger has the first opportunity to pick up Roman Reigns or any of the available people such as Jimmy Uso, Jey Uso, Dean Ambrose, Bray Wyatt and etc... Once he chooses then two things can happen...
1) If everyone has chose a keeper from their current team then the keeper round is over and the draft begins with Alex K getting the first pick.
2) If one person or multiple people choose to not pick a keeper from their current team they will go to the back of the list and after Gravedigger picks they will choose their keeper in the order they fell to the back of the list until the keeper round is over and we then begin the draft.
This is currently how it is set up as I understand it... Could this change due to outcry from the players in the Alpha League? I really don't know...
Quote from: Mike Powers on January 19, 2016, 02:50:17 AM
Can we have a comprehensive list of changes to this league?
He is working on it and should have it up today.
You have a friend that isn't Fnord or yourself?
Quote from: Rob on January 19, 2016, 01:50:27 PM
You have a friend that isn't Fnord or yourself?
I know! It is crazy but true... I even have a wife and kid...
But they aren't your friends D:
Quote from: Rob on January 19, 2016, 02:16:19 PM
But they aren't your friends D:
Oh no they both hate me with a passion... :(
Quote from: Midas on January 19, 2016, 02:24:53 PM
Oh no they both hate me with a passion... :(
And I don't... :o
True love