This is the place to put in your potatoes...I mean, show feedback. Kudos to the winners! Feel free to PM me if you have any questions, particularly as it pertains to judging; for the sake of transparency I'm more than happy to provide some feedback and show you the scorecard I used to judge your RP, since yes indeed I have scores and remarks for the RPs lol.
I put the spoiler warning so that those not wanting spoilers before reading the show are aware of what will be discussed in here. Spoilers, sweetie.
Loved the show, had a lot of fun RP'ing against Rex, looking forward to what Aidan puts out next week.
The summary results are much easier to get through and still understand the flow of the match a bit. I wrote two of them, but after seeing how you polished them up I'll definitely get them more in line next time.
I feel like all 4 members of Group A are going to end up tied with 3 points, so god only knows how that will go, can't wait to find out though.
I would also expect to see a few more segments after this first show has been posted too. We'll all get into the swing of things for a little bit and make this a tournament to remember.
Great job by all the RP'ers, only 1 no-show which for a mega show like this isn't bad at all! Can't wait to see more of this weeks RP's come through, running out of reading material in the bathroom.
Awesome job everyone!
Honestly I thought the show was greatly written from start to finish. :) The segment was highly enjoyable, if anything I may consider sending in segments of my own now that I've got less of a hectic timetable. XD
But holy shit, totally thought Dynamo had me with his roleplay.
Thanks for the feedback so far, guys!
Quote from: Jack on December 07, 2018, 02:13:58 PM
3. As a critique, I would say that 2 draws is a little anticlimactic but sounds like there is a formula in place and if that's how it goes, that's how it goes. Haha, i'm just glad I escaped with a point at all so maybe I shouldn't complain!
4. Not a huge thing, but a little weird that it's 'No DQ' and no 'rope breaks' but matches can still end with double count outs and time limit draws. Doesn't really affect the meat and potatoes of what this game is supposed to do, so like I said, not a big deal, but if I saw that on WWE I would be scratching my head for sure.
5. Will try to add a segment or two going forward myself.
- The draws are a reflection of how the judging went, and should definitely be taken as such haha.
- Believe me, I'd been wondering myself how the two ideas mesh...and I thought that this was the best way to address draws. Funny thing about the rope break, to me it makes more sense that rope breaks don't mean a thing in a No DQ environment since not complying with it would normally constitute a DQ in a match. I see what you mean about it looking confusing (especially a count out situation in a No DQ match, but I chalk that up to the technicality involved there), but I can also assure y'all there won't be WWE-esque booking where a match just ends with no resolution whatsoever haha.
- I certainly welcome whatever segments you guys turn in, even if it's not "your week"...I do wanna apologize for not having much in the way of other segments, I'll admit I got in a little bit of a rush to try to minimize the delay BUT I've got some ideas that will be put in future shows :)
- Definitely have to give a huge shout out to Sewaside. Our match really brought me back to 2005-era XWF, so I was marking out pretty hard throughout the rps and reading the results. He definitely made me laugh with a few of his lines in his rp.
- I love the abridged results. You are able to keep a good sense of how the match played out without needing to spend an hour reading results.
- Great work on the rps all around, folks. This tournament is off to a brilliant start and I think it has a good shot at turning into something really special. Super happy I get to be a part of this thing.
- Hope people enjoyed the segment between Raven and I. Definitely open to writing a few more of those. Hit me up on Twitter DM if you'd like to work together (board PM works too)!
- Looking forward to facing Mark on the next NYC show. I don't believe we've ever crossed paths before; facing new high level opponents is what Experts is all about! Good luck, man.
Quote from: Aidan Collins on December 08, 2018, 01:32:29 AM
- Definitely have to give a huge shout out to Sewaside. Our match really brought me back to 2005-era XWF, so I was marking out pretty hard throughout the rps and reading the results. He definitely made me laugh with a few of his lines in his rp.
- I love the abridged results. You are able to keep a good sense of how the match played out without needing to spend an hour reading results.
- Great work on the rps all around, folks. This tournament is off to a brilliant start and I think it has a good shot at turning into something really special. Super happy I get to be a part of this thing.
- Hope people enjoyed the segment between Raven and I. Definitely open to writing a few more of those. Hit me up on Twitter DM if you'd like to work together (board PM works too)!
- Looking forward to facing Mark on the next NYC show. I don't believe we've ever crossed paths before; facing new high level opponents is what Experts is all about! Good luck, man.
I wrote your match, so hopefully I did the history between yourself and Sewaside justice!
Quote from: Geordie on December 08, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
I wrote your match, so hopefully I did the history between yourself and Sewaside justice!
You definitely did! Beating the everloving shit out of each other and still ending with a handshake is exactly how I would imagine it going, regardless of outcome. Thank you for that.
Quote from: Aidan Collins on December 08, 2018, 01:32:29 AM
- Definitely have to give a huge shout out to Sewaside. Our match really brought me back to 2005-era XWF, so I was marking out pretty hard throughout the rps and reading the results. He definitely made me laugh with a few of his lines in his rp.
- I love the abridged results. You are able to keep a good sense of how the match played out without needing to spend an hour reading results.
- Great work on the rps all around, folks. This tournament is off to a brilliant start and I think it has a good shot at turning into something really special. Super happy I get to be a part of this thing.
- Hope people enjoyed the segment between Raven and I. Definitely open to writing a few more of those. Hit me up on Twitter DM if you'd like to work together (board PM works too)!
- Looking forward to facing Mark on the next NYC show. I don't believe we've ever crossed paths before; facing new high level opponents is what Experts is all about! Good luck, man.
You know... I might have to take you up on this if Georgie and Aidan show up in the same place at the same time... >.>
I mean they ARE Twitter besties...
ALSO
I forgot to do what I came here to do.
I liked the fact you summarized the results, the matches were compelling. I liked the natural feeling of it all. The segments were good.. I really am loving this to be perfectly honest.
It's a bit like coming home.
I will always have a soft spot in my heart for the Extreme tournie... and I think maybe you are doing your predecessors proud (I know you're doing me proud).
I apologize for not having a chance to comment sooner. I wanted to give it a fresh re-read.
Summarized results are good as I think it appeals to all audiences. You get the point across. Bigger matches for bigger shows. This is fine and alright.
I agree with the sentiment above that with the rules, the way in which the draws came about were weird. For example, rather than a double countout, perhaps two individuals not being able to get up at a count of 10 ala last standing rules would have fit more easily the no DQ stipulations. Just a two cents. None of that is to express any displeasure. I'm always good with whatever we get because ya'll are doing the judging and the writing. I'm too old and tired for all that again in my life LOL.
Echoing others above, many thanks to all writers/contributors to the show and I'm going to work to contribute segments going forward.
Can only really echo above thoughts about good summarised matches, more segments/storyline planning would be good, looking forward to rest of tournament.
As to the draw situation... eh it's tough. That being said I humbly disagree Doug on the double knockout idea. This is round 1/week 1 of a huge tournament. To me a double knockout/last man standing situation is a huge event... these two guys took each other to the absolute limit and knocked each other out. In week one. Where the hell do you go from there? There's a technical issue with draws in a no DQ situation, but the idea that potentially every week these behemoths of the wrestling world might take each other to the absolute limit that they're both out for 10 takes all the drama out of it. If Doug E Fresh and Level-One knocked each other out - fuck the rest of the tournament, I wanna see how that rivalry unfolds! I say stick to count outs and time outs, leave the knockouts to grudge matches/PPVs/really pushing a specific feud.
Quote from: Russ on December 11, 2018, 06:34:31 PM
Can only really echo above thoughts about good summarised matches, more segments/storyline planning would be good, looking forward to rest of tournament.
As to the draw situation... eh it's tough. That being said I humbly disagree Doug on the double knockout idea. This is round 1/week 1 of a huge tournament. To me a double knockout/last man standing situation is a huge event... these two guys took each other to the absolute limit and knocked each other out. In week one. Where the hell do you go from there? There's a technical issue with draws in a no DQ situation, but the idea that potentially every week these behemoths of the wrestling world might take each other to the absolute limit that they're both out for 10 takes all the drama out of it. If Doug E Fresh and Level-One knocked each other out - fuck the rest of the tournament, I wanna see how that rivalry unfolds! I say stick to count outs and time outs, leave the knockouts to grudge matches/PPVs/really pushing a specific feud.
I was just using that as an example of a way to have a draw.
In case you missed it, Week 2 results are up!
Quick note on segments, because I admit I didn't explain this clearly: if you could submit segments in the format I've got going for the show, that'll make it a lot easier for me to plug it in lol. Basically, dialogue with the names and no quotes, and action in brackets as in [...
[We cut to the studio, where Kyle Bacon is standing by and looking like a doofus as always.]
Kyle Bacon: Something along these lines will help keep the formatting consistent throughout the show. Thanks, guys!
[With that we cut back to the real world...]
I'll worry about any BBCode formatting, but I wanted to run that by you guys for future shows. Thanks!
Overall, liking the summarised results, segments added some interesting storyline. Loved Jack's segment explaining away the time draw beautifully. Love the creativity.
That being said... second week in a row where there's been two draws and they happen to be in the same group. Sorry Alex but I don't buy for one second that 1/3 of the matches for the past two weeks have been genuinely too close to call and that they were the same group each week. If it's that tight get a second impartial judge. I feel a bit cheated (not saying that I think I should have won, I feel a though the group was pre-decided to all draw as long as everyone reached a certain standard...). Also the way it happen... Scorpio lands his finisher and literally ONE SECOND later Artemis is up and hitting hers which Scorpio completely no-sells? Alex why are we blowing such drama on a round one group stage match?
Also after all the build up why is the only Eternal Circle/feud of any kind build up being done by competitors submitting segments? I feel like there needs to be some top down leadership.
I'm sorry to be on a bit of a downer but when we're waiting three days for results and what we get is summarised marches and 4 segments submitted by role players with no overall story progression and some dubious as hell coincidental draws I'm losing faith a little dude...
Quote from: Russ on December 12, 2018, 09:54:26 PM
Overall, liking the summarised results, segments added some interesting storyline. Loved Jack's segment explaining away the time draw beautifully. Love the creativity.
That being said... second week in a row where there's been two draws and they happen to be in the same group. Sorry Alex but I don't buy for one second that 1/3 of the matches for the past two weeks have been genuinely too close to call and that they were the same group each week. If it's that tight get a second impartial judge. I feel a bit cheated (not saying that I think I should have won, I feel a though the group was pre-decided to all draw as long as everyone reached a certain standard...). Also the way it happen... Scorpio lands his finisher and literally ONE SECOND later Artemis is up and hitting hers which Scorpio completely no-sells? Alex why are we blowing such drama on a round one group stage match?
Also after all the build up why is the only Eternal Circle/feud of any kind build up being done by competitors submitting segments? I feel like there needs to be some top down leadership.
I'm sorry to be on a bit of a downer but when we're waiting three days for results and what we get is summarised marches and 4 segments submitted by role players with no overall story progression and some dubious as hell coincidental draws I'm losing faith a little dude...
Judging: The draws are an indication of the fact that both RPs for a match were too close to call...and yes, that happened for two groups as a whole as we wrap up Week 2. It's easier for me to allow draws to happen this early on, whereas future weeks were going to be judged with a fine tooth comb (and a microscope!) in comparison...but you've also given me a much better idea how to handle that. I'm open to having a second judge in the event of a draw so that they are much harder to come by.
As far as how the Scorpio/Kaiser ending was written, I'll admit I could've done a better job on that and will be more conscious in handling match endings.
Storylines: There are seeds being planted throughout the show for the different storylines happening...and not all those seeds are found in the segments. That said, I do have some segment ideas that I'm working to flesh out for future shows and I'm gonna touch base with a couple of people to make sure I have certain details in line with how their characters behave.
Hope that helps!
So 2 weeks in, we have seen everyone perform and the efforts from 90% has been outstanding. The quality of rps over 1500 words has been amazing. The setup is a nice idea. Difficult to execute but I hope everyone keeps it up.
Buuuuut I'll be honest... I'm a little underwhelmed so far. I don't really feel this has linked in with anything previously used since you took over and I may be missing something but I feel the narrative is lacking somewhat.
From MDK's point of view, he has gone from taking on Jack Benevolence in a non title match for no reason, to now just being in the Extreme tournament with no rhyme or reason and judging by the end of his match is a heel now? I know that not having an initial opponent wasn't your fault but to just stick a person who had main evented the last event is taking on "TBC" feels a little weak and despite LHV busting out a stellar piece, it didn't set me up to start with any enthusiasm...
I like the summarised results.
I like the effort you are putting into the shows and that's appreciated.
Like Russ, I don't buy that 4 matches in 2 groups have been draws. I have my opinion on all 4 matches and I didn't have any of them as draws.
If I had to summarise my feelings of the shows so far, it would be ... indifferent.
It's a Christmas miracle! Week 3 results are finally posted. Thanks again to everyone for the help, especially (Santa) Russ for helping me this morning with one final match. A couple things to talk about:
1. This past week has been an absolute poopfest, between a ton of stuff coming up at home and just some "holidays blues" popping up at times for me. It's a rough time for the family right now; our second Christmas without my mom around, and a ton of chaos and stress due to other stuff. That said, I'm sorry I let it affect stuff here, and I've given myself a headstart on Week 4 so this doesn't happen again.
The second is in the show itself, so #SpoilersSweetie:
[spoiler]2. There was an angle Jack and I discussed for his match this week, and I realized only after Russ sent me the match that I didn't communicate that to him. Rather than ask him to add anything or to change anything in the match itself, I decided to come up with a reason they weren't at ringside for the match. Feel free to let me know if that was a bad call or not, I just wanted you to be aware WHY it happened lol.[/spoiler]
Overall it was a better show than before, can see aspects of the feedback being taken on board and used which is always commendable. Liking some of the story progression. Well done!
Quote from: Jack on December 28, 2018, 05:45:22 PM
Question: is the schedule changing at all regarding RPs as I think the show put us a week behind? All good either way, just want to make sure.
Thanks!
No, sir. Since Week 4 was already an extended period and Week 5 is the same, we're not too far off schedule. Good question, though!
PLEASE LEAVE FEEDBACK FOR THE FINALE SHOW HERE.
Quote from: Russ on March 10, 2019, 08:35:39 PM
PLEASE LEAVE FEEDBACK FOR THE FINALE SHOW HERE.
1st, Alex, we've only known you for a short time but you're a great guy. Much love for inviting us.
2nd, Russ, you showed just how great this e-fed thing can be and organized this show in a time of need. We would be humbled to continue to be apart of this community.
We are absolutely blown away at the quality of the show and absolutely shocked at the results.
First of all well done to the winners and thank you to everyone who took part and made the tournament what it is. Special thanks to all who contributed matches and segments in this and throughout the tournament.
Overall feedback on the tournament - clearly it had its challenges and they were overcome one way or another. I think lessons can be learnt and things can perhaps be more appropriately planned out and organised for the future. Overall there was a good story throughout it and it was a great way to get a number of new faces into the Experts, especially those from EWC.
If I'm honest I'm finding the outcomes a little difficult to take. I know it's not cool and totally taboo in this hobby to dare say you're pissed off at results, but also I've put enough hours/years into this hobby to be allowed to speak my mind.
This was my one and only chance at the tournament; I've run all the previous ones, and given the fact I played essentially a co-runner role in this one by the end I've got a feeling I won't be able to sit back and just enjoy any future tournaments either. I put some of my best ever work into this; I honestly don't think I'll ever write a better promo than the final part of the Thunder finale roleplay. I've put so much into this tournament and to finish it with nothing more than a token win over a half-baked Alex roleplay to me is heartbreaking. I felt shafted when MDK/Scorpio didn't get booked into the tag title match and instead it was given to a team never before seen in the Experts, then I saw a chance and put extra work in to join it anyway. I honestly think I deserved to come out of that set of roleplays for the finale with one accomplishment or another.
Everyone else gets the chance to compete at the top. I never did because I was running The Experts for so long. I probably won't again given the fact I've ended up co-running it once more. I'd love nothing more than to be able to have the name of one of my characters up there with the rest of the best, and I think I deserve that. I don't know. I'm just having a really fucking hard time knowing I wrote with everything I had and then some, and at the end of it have got nothing.
Rip into me for bitching all you like. I think by now I've earned the right to feel how I'm feeling and to talk about it openly...
Still. Well done to everyone that took part. Here's to the next one, whatever guise that takes.
Negative Norman joining the party... sorry guys...
OK, I'll be honest. I was disappointed with the tournament overall.
I don't think it can be stressed enough how much Russ did in this tournament from start to finish and without his contribution, I very much doubt we would have been past week 2...
Alex, you are a great guy and I appreciate that you have had major personal issues that have gone on which have affected your free time but your organisation of this has been sub par.
Judging:
Not just in the final but throughout the event, I feel that a lot of your judging was based more on storylines rather than actual rping. This became evident in the final when a few results were surprising to say the least with the Tag Team Open Challenge being quite evident with that. No disrespect to NSFW who put out a solid work, but I had at least one of the rps winning by a significant margin. I felt with that team not representing the other fed, it felt more like good PR to have the guests emerge victorious rather than ability.
I felt that Thunder had won in the main event and if I were him, I would be pissed off. It felt like it was better for storylines to have Jack emerge victorious.
Booking:
The storylines that really grabbed attention, came from the people who have booked them and created them between each other. Fresh and Noble was a match built out of nothing and could have had an amazing build but I felt that with no build, it was pretty much meh. I hope I did it justice with the writing. This isn't an ego thing, this isn't anything other than honesty but I really feel that you have plans with some characters and anybody else gets thrown together. As Russ alluded to, you could have had MDK and Scorpio take on your guests but instead threw them into a throwaway match against some of your characters. The only time you have given MDK a match not against one of your characters (in which you haven't really given your all into your rps in either match I don't feel leading it to feel like a procession or an exhibition) was against Jack in a NON TITLE match to ensure had I been adjudged to have won (for the record I don't in any form feel I did win) either shenanigans or a storyline would have been incorporated to keep Jack as champion.
Too many draws:
Early on in the tournament especially, you were reluctant to make decisions and instead opted for draws. This really affected any enthusiasm throughout the event I feel.
Not enough stories being built. How many matches in the final were made of anything developed through the tournament and how many were exhibition style nonsense? Once in a lifetime matches etc should be reserved for reunion and birthday shows. Not just season finales. This should have been the culmination of beef from throughout the tournament but because of poor planning and last minute decisions, there was nothing to use so matches were just thrown together.
The problem is, you are a little too nice and not focussed enough with regards to an event like this. You literally called on me to provide judging or writing at the 11th hour every time and it took Russ to ask me on several occasions to help with results etc leading me to view Russ as the figurehead of the event. Genuinely, it took a lot of persuasion from Russ to keep me enthused in the event as I was done weeks ago and going forwards, it's taken a lot of effort from that same man to keep me interested for more than storyline purposes going forwards.
You have many great ideas and a lot of enthusiasm initially but it wavers quickly it seems and when we are waiting on results and can see you gaming on discord, it leads me to question your focus...
Learning points going forward:
Plan and prepare. If you write out a framework weeks in advance, you are saving yourself a heck of a lot of effort in the long run.
Be a little mean now and again. Judging is not easy but man up and go for a winner and a loser and make sure its for the right reason.
Focus on one battle at a time. Don't think about running before you can even stand up.
Sorry Alex, but I felt the need to be honest
Alright, we feel like we stumbled onto a circle that isn't ours. We've had little communication with anyone here and I feel like we weren't really a part of it anyway. And frankly, it seems like you guys would rather us not be involved and that's okay.
We were invited, told to roleplay blind, and didn't expect to win anything. When we did, we were absolutely shocked.
So at this point, you guys are free to change the results and have whoever you'd like win the titles because e-fed titles aren't worth causing this much drama over.
We apologize for our involvement and wish this group the best of luck.
I'd like to make a few things clear:
1. At the end of the day, the thing that's being disputed is my judging, and I can deal with that. The worst that can be said about the decisions I made is that people disagree, and I can understand that frustration.
2. I am not one to angle wins toward or against anyone for any reason, IC/storyline or OOC.
3. I'm incredibly sorry for dropping the ball with this tournament. My personal issues aside, I realize that I made some blunders along the way (from the booking of some matches to decisions being disputed as noted in #1). I'm owning up to those blunders, and look to move forward with the knowledge of what to do and what not to do.
The whole point of bringing The Experts back was to enjoy efedding as a group, remembering what made the hobby fun and focusing on that. I've seen some success in that, primarily through seeing folks like Cindy and Russ come back to the game for the first time in years, and seeing folks like Jack and Adam being a part of things again, and in the process bringing along new friends like NSFW. With the way I handled this tournament, it seems I have failed that mission, and I cannot apologize enough. Again, though, I want to own up to the mistakes I made, and learn from them. There are still some great stories to tell, and some great times to be had, and I will do whatever it takes to make this fun for folks.
Right, well, everyone's had their say.
There's a lot of learning points and a lot to go on with. I think we can probably draw a line under the tournament, a line under the complaints above, and move onto Rival Factions as a fresh start.