Combine is just a few days away, so who do you hope your team drafts?
As an Eagles fan Id think anything less than a Linebacker with our first pick is utter failure. Luke Keuchly out out Boston College would be my first option, Vontaze Burfict would be my second, but his continuing attitude problems could make him fall to the second.
Panthers fan...
Either Michael Brockers to help solidify the already young DT position, which with him, Fua, and McClain we shouldnt need to draft another DT for a couple years lol.
or I'd like Corner like Dre Kirkpatrick, the Defense is where the biggest needs are, with WR really not being "too" weak with young guys still developing.
As a Jaguars fan, we lack soo much. All of a sudden last year, through drafts and free agency, we build ourselves the first great defense we've had since Stroud/Henderson stuffing runs. Despite the fact that by week 14 everyone was on the I.R., that's not the point. We haven't had an offensive based draft in a few years, and the last time we did? NOT A SINGLE GUY IS LEFT ON THE TEAM. Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, Ernest Wilford...these guys ringing bells? Doubt it unless you're a diehard Jags boy like myself.
Please, please. I wanted Crabtree soo badly a couple years back. DRAFT JUSTIN BLACKMON.
Either that, or see what we may not have in Blaine Gabbert and draft in RG3 to find, out of the two, a solid long-term franchise quarterback that we haven't had since the 90's with Brunell.
Redskins should trade up and get the second pick and take RGIII.
Bengals
Our most pressing need is the secondary. They foolishly let Jonathan Joseph go in the offseason, effectively splitting arguably the best cornerback tandem in the league with Leon Hall. Hall ended up rupturing his achilles mid season, leaving our best two corners as an over the hill Nate Clements and first round bust Kelly Jennings (who Im sure Jackie Boy remembers well). They NEED a corner. Dre Kirkpatrick should be available for one of the two picks, so take him. They could also use a safety to replace Chris Crocker, who never was that great to begin with.
They also need a guard to replace Nate Livings, who may well be the worst guard in the history of football (Cordy Glenn?). They need a running back to replace Ced Benson (who's a decent runner, but can't catch out the backfield, which makes him a liability in Jay Gruden's offense), If Trent Richardson drops that would be great, but it would more than likely be Lamar Miller from The U. Word on the street this last week is that they're tired of Ray Malulaga's constant off-field troubles and may cut him, so they may look at ILB.
There's also the chance they go after a receiver to compliment the emerging duo of Andy Dalton and AJ Green. They need a #2 receiver in the worst way. Jerome Simpson was their #2 last year, and while he may be one of the best pure athletes in the NFL (as that somersault TD against Arizona can attest), but he struggles to catch the ball, plus he got busted with six pounds of pot, so he's gone. (My guess is that they'll address that need in Free Agency with a guy like Pierre Garcon or Robert Meachem).
I've also heard they may go after a D-Lineman if the value is right and one of their main targets (Richardson, Glenn, Miller, Kirkpatrick) is gone. But I doubt it, there are too many needs in other areas.
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I think Bengals have potential to get two huge instant playmakers this draft to compliment Dalton and Green. I think they should re-sign Benson as hes a very solid starter in the league and if he comes at the right price I'd resign him, and get Kirkpatrick and David DeCastro if he fell.
Quote from: JackHondo on February 22, 2012, 10:43:54 PM
Bengals
Our most pressing need is the secondary. They foolishly let Jonathan Joseph go in the offseason, effectively splitting arguably the best cornerback tandem in the league with Leon Hall. Hall ended up rupturing his achilles mid season, leaving our best two corners as an over the hill Nate Clements and first round bust Kelly Jennings (who Im sure Jackie Boy remembers well). They NEED a corner. Dre Kirkpatrick should be available for one of the two picks, so take him. They could also use a safety to replace Chris Crocker, who never was that great to begin with.
They also need a guard to replace Nate Livings, who may well be the worst guard in the history of football (Cordy Glenn?). They need a running back to replace Ced Benson (who's a decent runner, but can't catch out the backfield, which makes him a liability in Jay Gruden's offense), If Trent Richardson drops that would be great, but it would more than likely be Lamar Miller from The U. Word on the street this last week is that they're tired of Ray Malulaga's constant off-field troubles and may cut him, so they may look at ILB.
There's also the chance they go after a receiver to compliment the emerging duo of Andy Dalton and AJ Green. They need a #2 receiver in the worst way. Jerome Simpson was their #2 last year, and while he may be one of the best pure athletes in the NFL (as that somersault TD against Arizona can attest), but he struggles to catch the ball, plus he got busted with six pounds of pot, so he's gone. (My guess is that they'll address that need in Free Agency with a guy like Pierre Garcon or Robert Meachem).
I've also heard they may go after a D-Lineman if the value is right and one of their main targets (Richardson, Glenn, Miller, Kirkpatrick) is gone. But I doubt it, there are too many needs in other areas.
I went to college with Jerome Simpson. He dealt drugs in college and things still haven't changed.
I'm a Browns fan (sad I know). So all I keep hearing about is taking RGIII. And yes we need an upgrade at the QB but we need upgrades a lot of places. I personally want Justin Blackmon. My thing is that we're not going anywhere next year so give Colt one more shot and get him a set of reliable hands to do it with. And do something to the right side of our offensive line because its a pile of shit.
Browns MUST get RG3 and then you can probably get Michael Floyd or Kendall Wright if they slip to the second.....Wright will probably have a good combine and go high in the first, but Floyd is the 3rd best WR and a huge target (6'4") and will probably be around the Browns 2nd pick.
People are sleeping on Alshon Jeffrey. I'm from Columbia, South Carolina and a diehard Gamecock fan. I've watched every game for the last however many years and the three years that Jeffrey has played I've seen him drop two passes. The man's hands are like glue. He gets knocked about his conditioning and his weight. Well he will surprise people tomorrow at the combine. Most people have him weiging between 230-240 pounds, but he will weigh in tomorrow at around 215-217. He is an absolute beast at a legitimate 6'4" and can go up and catch any ball, much like Calvin Johnson.
I'd be shocked if Floyd slips to the second round. I can see the Bears taking him with the 19th pick. I also think the Skins will trade up and pip the Browns to RG3.
Quote from: JustinP on February 23, 2012, 12:17:07 PM
People are sleeping on Alshon Jeffrey. I'm from Columbia, South Carolina and a diehard Gamecock fan. I've watched every game for the last however many years and the three years that Jeffrey has played I've seen him drop two passes. The man's hands are like glue. He gets knocked about his conditioning and his weight. Well he will surprise people tomorrow at the combine. Most people have him weiging between 230-240 pounds, but he will weigh in tomorrow at around 215-217. He is an absolute beast at a legitimate 6'4" and can go up and catch any ball, much like Calvin Johnson.
Im a Alshon fan as well. The dude can make one handed catches line nobody's business up and across the middle, in traffic.
He's training hard in Tampa and is going to impress people at the combine with the amount of weight he's lost. He's not going to do nothing at the combine but interview. He will do his workout at the Carolina pro day. After that I think he will be either the first or second receiver taken.
I've seen Jeffrey play, and he's good. Good isn't even the word, really. He's awesome. But the biggest knock on him is that he isn't explosive enough off the line. Is he going to be able to separate from NFL corners?
I keep hearing he's probably going to show up and run in the 4.8 range. If that happens, he'll sink like a stone.
If he doesn't run in the 4.5's he'll be second round at best.
There is no way he over takes Blackmond (IMO) because he's a top 5 pick, but I could see him (pending a solid 40 time) being a late first rounder, but I think he'll be the 3-5th receiver taken. From an NFL point of view, I think teams see him as either a future all pro, or a major bust candidate. I think he can do well, but even at 6'4, if you can't beat the corner, you won't be a #1 receiver.
Everybody thinks he's going to run a 4.8 becaue they think he is 240 pounds plus. He will weigh in tomorrow at 215-217 and you will hear Mel Kiper and Todd McShay talk about how suprised they are at the weight loss and how he will move up their draft boards because of it. When the pro day comes he will run a 4.55 and have a vertical jump of 32-35 inches and will be a first round lock.
My team needs a lineman Outside lineman and defensive corner
so I will be happy if the Cowboys address there needs
I love Jeffery, but I too have heard he'll run over a 4.5 and if Speed is an issue he'll get passed for Blackmon, Wright, and Floyd.
I personally think hes the genetic freak that can be a Calvin Johnson type, but speed and hands together is what teams go for. I think Blackmon is the only better receiver than Jeffery in the draft simply because hes more poilshed, but I think hes a better talent then Wright and Floyd.
I REALLY hope Washington doesnt get RG3.....it'd suck playing against him twice a year.
I'm a Steeler fan, and we've got a ton of needs this year. Personally, I'm looking at O-Line in the early rounds. If there's nothing attractive left, maybe try for a corner?
Overall we need OL, LB, and DB help. If Mike Wallace leaves in free agency (hoping he doesn't, but I don't think we'll give him the money he wants), we'll need to look for WR in the draft too.
I haven't seen this much prospective roster turnover and uncertainty in a Pittsburgh team for a LONG time...it's worrying me a bit.
Jeffrey weighed in at 216.
Thing is the great Quaterback debate really revolves around one man...Manning. Do the Colts support him (which I secretly hope they do, I think its a crying shame if he goes Montana/Favre)
or do one of these teams make a move for him (Skins/Jets/Browns)
What I would like to see happen is as stated he stays with the Colts or retires. Luck gets drated and is either groomed for the future or starts based on retirement.
The Browns realize its not their QB who is the problem but in fact the support he has been given and address this and not hit the panic button. There are a couple of linemen I'd go for here or if we are playing honest ball the cover boy of Madden 2012 IS NOT THE LONG TERM ANSWER.
The Skins then take RGIII later seeing as both Grossman and Beck suck balls.
Personally this is how I'd like to see this go out, but I think the Browns will trade up for RGIII
Am I reading this right, did Jeffery decline to participate in drills? Dude, that throws up a TON of red flags. If the guy is healthy (and all indications I've seen are that he is) and has that many question marks surrounding him, then he needs to run drills. By not doing so, he's lowered his value and draft base, since he'll probably only work out for 5 or 6 teams (maybe more, all depending).
I'm really disappointed by this. I like the guy (even though he played for Spurrier) and would love to have him on my team, but this is surprising.
Dontari Poe is a manimal.
345 lbs, benched a 44 and ran a 4.8
FUCK.
Burfict ran a 5.09 40 and Keuchly ran a 4.5.......so Eagles make the right fucking pick at linebacker.
Quote from: JackHondo on February 27, 2012, 02:56:30 PM
Am I reading this right, did Jeffery decline to participate in drills? Dude, that throws up a TON of red flags. If the guy is healthy (and all indications I've seen are that he is) and has that many question marks surrounding him, then he needs to run drills. By not doing so, he's lowered his value and draft base, since he'll probably only work out for 5 or 6 teams (maybe more, all depending).
I'm really disappointed by this. I like the guy (even though he played for Spurrier) and would love to have him on my team, but this is surprising.
He didn't work out because he is waiting until the South Carolina pro day. A lot people do this, namely; Luck, RGIII, Blackmon(Only participate in one drill). It's not uncommon at all.
I am still hoping the Bears get Floyd!!!
Outside of that I think its going to be pretty interesting to see who tries to wheel and deal their way further up the ladder to get a QB. Brings back to me the comment I made about their being a real lack of elite QBs in the NFL these days.
Quote from: JustinP on February 27, 2012, 04:05:57 PM
He didn't work out because he is waiting until the South Carolina pro day. A lot people do this, namely; Luck, RGIII, Blackmon(Only participate in one drill). It's not uncommon at all.
Boom. Blackmons going to tear up...top 5 pick worthy.
Quote from: Trumpers on February 27, 2012, 01:46:40 PM
The Browns realize its not their QB who is the problem but in fact the support he has been given and address this and not hit the panic button. There are a couple of linemen I'd go for here or if we are playing honest ball the cover boy of Madden 2012 IS NOT THE LONG TERM ANSWER.
^THIS!
And I like Alshon
I think the Browns do need better upgrades than RG3....but they need to take him. Any team that doesnt have an elite QB needs to try and get that 2nd pick.
McCoy wont ever amount to anything more than a .500 QB....RG3 can be a pro bowler within 2 years
Really would love Luke Kuechly to fall to the Eagles. He looked great at the combine, so I'm not liking those chances now, but I'll have my fingers crossed for it.
If not Kuechly, then I also like Hightower and Kendricks. If another quality player is available if Keuchly is off the board, I like Tank Carder as well in round 2/3.
Not only that....he'll bring some media attention to the Browns. No one outside of Cleavland gives a fuck about the the Browns....their about as irrelevant as the Bucs and Jags. He'll be the new face of the team, give the fans something to get excited for.
You can add a RB/WR in the next 2 years in the offseason.....a top QB prospect with as much potential as RG3.....well might have to wait 5-6 years.
If the fucking Eagles had 2nd pick I'd want them to get RG3.....not because Vick only plays 6 games and RG3 would end up our starter come years end...he's something special. Luck/RG3 are this years......maybe Matt Barkley next year....but other than that its going to be a while till a QB class like this.
Quote from: DnK on February 27, 2012, 11:24:42 PM
Really would love Luke Kuechly to fall to the Eagles. He looked great at the combine, so I'm not liking those chances now, but I'll have my fingers crossed for it.
If not Kuechly, then I also like Hightower and Kendricks. If another quality player is available if Keuchly is off the board, I like Tank Carder as well in round 2/3.
I'd like Hightower if we could get him with our 2nd....but Kendricks is a workout warrior. We got Brian Rolle who is the speedy somewhat undersized LB.....I honestly think its Kuechly or nothing with our first.
Knowing Reid...well trade out 1st for 2 3rd rounders and a 4th rounder. Andy collects picks like Pokemon cards...he gotta have em all
Quote from: Trumpers on February 27, 2012, 04:20:34 PM
I am still hoping the Bears get Floyd!!!
The Bears need to get Cutler some help other than someone not named Matt Forte.
Draft is tomorrow, im pumped. After getting Demeco Ryans I hope Philly ends up with either Fletcher Cox or Quinton Coples at defensive tackle.
Cox or Poe would be a good fit for Philly I believe.
Thing is Cox probably wont fall under 10 and i wouldnt mind Poe, just as much risk as Coples has....but Coples can play defensive end as well as tackle.
Anyway cant wait to see what surprises happen tonight
I'm going to make a prediction.... The Houston Texans will draft Alshon Jeffrey with their first round pick.
I went back and looked at my post from January, and it hadn't changed that much. Dre Kirkpatrick and Cordy Glenn are still in the mix, although if OG David Decastro falls to #17 (which is 50/50, all depends on what the Chiefs do at 11) they will most likely take him. Kirkpatrick should for all intents and purposes fall to 21, but if he doesn't I'd guess they'd take a guy like Courtney Upshaw or Dont'a Hightower or someone like that.
Marvin Lewis came straight out and said they had no interest whatsoever in a first round receiver, so if Malcolm Floyd were to drop to 17, they won't take him. Same goes for Kendall Wright or Stephen Hill if they're available at 21.
I think Texans will take Stephen Hill....with Andre Johnson moulding him....he can be a terrifying receiver.
My Cowboys need a S, LB, DL, OL and CB ... They need to keep it boring and just draft there needs and it will be all good .
Mark Barron, safety, Alabama, Fletcher Cox, defensive lineman, Mississippi State, Michael Brockers, defensive lineman, LSU, David DeCastro, guard, Stanford and Dre Kirkpatrick, cornerback, Alabama
these are the guys that are project that cowboys might draft at 14th ... more likely Barron if he still there at 14th.
Hate how the cowgirls pick right before the Eagles....cause if Cox does slip they'll probably take him.
I think Barron would look nice in a cowgirls uniform....after losing Terrance Newman their secondary needs help. Brandon Carr can't do it all himself. Kirkpatrick would be nice....but he lacks speed for a corner for me, even with his great size.
well , your dirty birds might move up ... they have room to makes some deals , so never fear
Quote from: Cory on April 26, 2012, 04:30:31 PM
Hate how the cowgirls pick right before the Eagles....cause if Cox does slip they'll probably take him.
I think Barron would look nice in a cowgirls uniform....after losing Terrance Newman their secondary needs help. Brandon Carr can't do it all himself. Kirkpatrick would be nice....but he lacks speed for a corner for me, even with his great size.
I think they take Barron. Their secondary needed help with Newman, hence the reason they let him go. Carr was a good signing, but they still need help at the saftey position.
Quote from: Black Death on April 26, 2012, 04:46:36 PM
well , your dirty birds might move up ... they have room to makes some deals , so never fear
Hope not. Coples at 15 with 2 second round picks is much better than Fletcher Cox at like 7-8 with only one second round pick (assuming Philly trades their 1st and a second to move up)
This is my Mock First Round
Indianapolis - QB andrew luck
Washington- QB robert griffin III
Minnesota- CB - Morris Claiborne
Cleveland - RB trent richardson
Tampa Bay- OT Matt Kalil
St Louis- WR Justin Blackmon
Jacksonville - DE Melvin Ingram
Miami - QB Ryan Tannehill
Carolina- CB Stephon Gilmore
Buffalo - WR Michale Floyd
Kansas City - OT Riley Reiff
Seattle- DE Quinton Coples
Arizona - G David DeCastro
Dallas- S Mark Barron
Philadelphia- LB Luke Kuechley
NY Jets- DT Fletcher Cox
Cincinnati- CB Dre Kirkpatrick
San Diego - DE Whitney Mercilus
Chicago - DT Michael Brockers
Tennessee- DT Dontari Poe
Cincinnati - CB Janoris Jenkins
Cleveland- WR Kendall Wright
Detroit - LB Donta' Hightower
Pittsburgh- OLB/DE Courtney Upshaw
Denver- RB Doug Martin
Houston- WR Alshon Jeffery (STEAL OF THE DRAFT)
New England- S Harrison Smith
Green Bay - Cordy Glenn
Baltimore- Jonathan Martin
San Francisco- TE Coby Fleener
New England- DE Nick Perry
NY Giants- Kevin Zeitler
What are the Browns smoking?
They had the 4th pick, Vikings have the third. They trade with them for the 3rd pick and give up a bunch of stuff to get Trent Richardson...a player that the Vikings were not going to draft and thus would be available at #4.
Can someone explain this to me? Because it just looks like to me that the Browns hate their fans here.
Well that was an interesting first round.
I'm still trying to figure out why the Hawks took Bruce Irvin with guys like Shea McClellin, Courtney Upshaw and Dont'a Hightower were still on the board. J-Bev, what were your boys thinkin there?
Yeah.....only reason I see them taking Irvin is that as a end he instantly comes in as maybe the quickest end in the league (maybe a toss up with Elvis Dumervil), and he can transition to outside linebacker too easily. Still a shocking pick, really their pick and the niners pick of AJ Jenkins when Stephen Hill and Alshon Jeffery/Ruben Randel were still on the board was making me scratch my head.
Browns had an excellent draft, got Trent Richardson whose my pick for offensive rookie of the year now with the sheer amount of carries and receptions hell get, and Weeden who can come into camp right away and be their starter.
Also really glad my Eagles got Fletcher Cox, the best defensive lineman in the draft. With Trent Cole, Cox, Cullen Jenkins, and Babin we have the best d-line in the league IMO.
They traded because the Vikings were shopping to sell their draft pick. Tampa Bay was one of the teams interested in Richardson and they were also one of the teams looking to trade for the pick. Vikings used this to their advantage and got a more than favorable deal from the Browns who wanted Richardson at all costs. It's called leverage, and the Vikings used it to their advantage.
I get to work and turn on the tv in the break room to ESPN and see the Cowboys about to pick . I was like damn ... they at 14 already that was fast ... than I look and it 6 th pick and they select Morris Claiborne. I am happy about that pick ... now we just need to address few more things and it all good .
Brandon Carr and Claiborne with Mike Jenkins can really help firm up that secondary
They didn't need to trade back and get him in the second round. He would have been waiting there for him anyways.
I saw quite a few mocks that had him as far back as the fourth round. They could have waited and waited and still got him.
I hope Upshaw falls to the Ravens at 35...
Just two picks between him and the Ravens...Rams need a WR so hopefully they pick one. Colts...I dunno...I just hope they don't pick him either.
The Browns took a QB who is only younger than me by 150 days.
And is better than McCoy.
Quote from: JustinP on April 27, 2012, 04:59:21 PM
And is better than McCoy.
This.
and odds say, worst case scenario Hawks could have trade up in the 2nd to get Irvin (I highly confident he would have been snapped up today).
Day 2, I hope Eagles get Lamar Miller (RB, Miami), and either Brock Osweiler (QB, AZU), or Mychal Kendricks (LB, Cal)
Oooh Yeah, Stephen Hill to the Jets.
Damn, Ravens getting Upshaw is a really good pick.
Like Philly getting Kendricks...would have preferred Upshaw but no way he'd fall to them.
Damn, Bears risking it on Alshon Jeffery. If he pans out, him and Marshall with Knox stretching the field is scary.
Quote from: Cory on April 28, 2012, 02:29:26 AM
Damn, Bears risking it on Alshon Jeffery. If he pans out, him and Marshall with Knox stretching the field is scary.
Knox I think will take sometime to come back into the fold given everything which has gone on with him. Personally, I think the one worth mentioning is Earl Bennett...
if Forte doesnt hold out...and we can get some protection on the O-Line we will be a force in the new season
Cincy had an INCREDIBLE draft. They fill the void left by J-Jo leaving in free agency last season with Dre Kirkpatrick. They filled a big gap in the O-line with Kevin Zeitler. They got their potential #2 receiver in Mohamed Sanu and a sleeper in Marvin Jones. They bolstered their D-line with two highly regarded tackes in Devon Still and Brandon Thompson.
The only -- only -- issue I had was not doing a lot on the running back side of things. They signed The Law Firm in the offseason, but that's going to be a running back by committee system next season. Drafting Boom Herron out of Ohio State in the sixth was more a case of making the local fans happy than improving their back situation.
I think Alshon coupled with Marshall gives Cutler all the firepower he needs. I may be biased, but I think Alshon is the best pure receiver in the draft. He's dropped the weight and he's increased his speed. The guy is a monster and catches everything that is thrown his way.
You are heavy bias Justin.
Are you Alshon Jeffery?
Nope.
I was extremely happy with the New England Patriots draft. The Tavon Wilson pick aside, Belichick went against his usual route of trading down and hoarding picks and got both Chandler Jones and Donta Hightower in the first round. Considering our lack of pass rush over the past few seasons and the reluctance for drafting one I was pleased with this result. I respect Mike Mayock's analysis immensely and he proclaimed that Jones might end up being "the best defensive player from this draft class" and Hightower can play ILB, moving Jerrod Mayo to the outside or vice versa. Also loved getting Alfonzo Dennard in the 7th round who had a 2nd round grade from a lot of people. Defense was certainly the Patriots weak point and they did a lot to try and sure things up. No matter how much you love or hate the draft haul of your team no one will actually know how good it actually is until they get on the field but I have a lot of confidence that these guys will help turn our defense around and back to respectability again.
Quote from: JackHondo on April 30, 2012, 09:11:24 AM
Cincy had an INCREDIBLE draft. They fill the void left by J-Jo leaving in free agency last season with Dre Kirkpatrick. They filled a big gap in the O-line with Kevin Zeitler. They got their potential #2 receiver in Mohamed Sanu and a sleeper in Marvin Jones. They bolstered their D-line with two highly regarded tackes in Devon Still and Brandon Thompson.
The only -- only -- issue I had was not doing a lot on the running back side of things. They signed The Law Firm in the offseason, but that's going to be a running back by committee system next season. Drafting Boom Herron out of Ohio State in the sixth was more a case of making the local fans happy than improving their back situation.
You guys also got Vontaze Burfict for nothing. Ultimate low risk, high reward signing. If he is ANYTHING like he was in 2011 you guys signed a top 15 pick easy. And if his issues persist you signed him as an undrafted rookie...no harm no foul.
Quote from: SPDougie on April 30, 2012, 06:47:52 PM
I was extremely happy with the New England Patriots draft. The Tavon Wilson pick aside, Belichick went against his usual route of trading down and hoarding picks and got both Chandler Jones and Donta Hightower in the first round. Considering our lack of pass rush over the past few seasons and the reluctance for drafting one I was pleased with this result. I respect Mike Mayock's analysis immensely and he proclaimed that Jones might end up being "the best defensive player from this draft class" and Hightower can play ILB, moving Jerrod Mayo to the outside or vice versa. Also loved getting Alfonzo Dennard in the 7th round who had a 2nd round grade from a lot of people. Defense was certainly the Patriots weak point and they did a lot to try and sure things up. No matter how much you love or hate the draft haul of your team no one will actually know how good it actually is until they get on the field but I have a lot of confidence that these guys will help turn our defense around and back to respectability again.
Like the Hightower pick, great depth and can plan with Mayo in the middle. DIdnt like Chandler Jones...they should have been able to get him in the 2nd. He's Jon Jones brother and all aka shit ton of arm length....but played for a smaller school and has some injury issues. Seems to be a risky pick for me, but he could easily end up as a starter. I think Jake Bequette is a more well rounded end then Jones.
As far as my Iggles...
Fletcher Cox was the best d-tackle in the draft, slipped out of top 10 and Philly gave up a 4th to go grab him. Cox will be an instant starter and its going to be "sacks on sacks" with Trent Cole, Jason Babin, Cullen Jenkins, and now Cox.
2nd round, Mychael Kendricks PAC 12 defensive player of the year, great open field tackler, cant stop the run and ran the fastest LB 40 in like 12 years (think I saw on twitter) so hes got wheels. Also loved the Vinny Curry pick, always been a Eagles fan = heart for the team, near replica of Trent Cole playing wise, and was 1st round grade in lots of mocks, getting him late in the 2nd was great.
CB Brandon Boykin many call one of the steals in the draft, hope to see what he can contribute. Still really pissed Philly didnt go after Lamar Miller (RB, Miami) to backup LeSean, but meh.
Quote from: Cory on May 01, 2012, 12:39:02 AM
You guys also got Vontaze Burfict for nothing. Ultimate low risk, high reward signing. If he is ANYTHING like he was in 2011 you guys signed a top 15 pick easy. And if his issues persist you signed him as an undrafted rookie...no harm no foul.
I've been to every Arizona State home game the past two season and Burfict is an overrated POS. I am glad he went undrafted leaving school after his junior year though I'm not sure our new HC Todd Graham would have even wanted him back since the goal is to get rid of Dennis Erickson's undisciplined trash. I really don't see Burfict making it in the NFL because 1) he's incredibly slow 2) takes a ton of plays off 3) has horrible instincts 4) leagues the world in getting bonehead personal fouls 5) is a complete mess of a person off the field. Definitely no risk involved but the guy is trash, but I am a bit bias I guess lol.
Quote from: Cory on May 01, 2012, 12:42:42 AM
Like the Hightower pick, great depth and can plan with Mayo in the middle. DIdnt like Chandler Jones...they should have been able to get him in the 2nd. He's Jon Jones brother and all aka shit ton of arm length....but played for a smaller school and has some injury issues. Seems to be a risky pick for me, but he could easily end up as a starter. I think Jake Bequette is a more well rounded end then Jones.
Chandler Jones was one of the high risers in the draft, was originally projected as a third rounder but it changed about the last week of the draft so I'm not sure where he would have gone if the Patriots didn't trade up to get him. I agree with you though that he definitely is a risk but if he stays healthy I think his ceiling is pretty high as a legitimate pass rushing stud. I did like the Bequette pick as well since he was highly productive rushing the passer in the best conference in the country, even though he doesn't have a 40 time or explosiveness that will jump out at you. Like always it'll be interesting to see in 2 or 3 years how well that draft was for everyone. Always are plenty of surprises of people no one thought would ever do much becoming all-pros and sure fire "can't miss" prospects playing themselves (or in Jamarcus Russell's case eating themselves) out of the league.
Quote from: Cory on May 01, 2012, 12:46:35 AM
As far as my Iggles...
Fletcher Cox was the best d-tackle in the draft, slipped out of top 10 and Philly gave up a 4th to go grab him. Cox will be an instant starter and its going to be "sacks on sacks" with Trent Cole, Jason Babin, Cullen Jenkins, and now Cox.
2nd round, Mychael Kendricks PAC 12 defensive player of the year, great open field tackler, cant stop the run and ran the fastest LB 40 in like 12 years (think I saw on twitter) so hes got wheels. Also loved the Vinny Curry pick, always been a Eagles fan = heart for the team, near replica of Trent Cole playing wise, and was 1st round grade in lots of mocks, getting him late in the 2nd was great.
CB Brandon Boykin many call one of the steals in the draft, hope to see what he can contribute. Still really pissed Philly didnt go after Lamar Miller (RB, Miami) to backup LeSean, but meh.
I think the Eagles did extremely well in the draft and whole-heartedly agree with Fletcher Cox. Defensive studs in SEC are usually the safest bets to become highly productive NFL players. Boykin is also going to be special I think and was someone I was really hoping the Patriots would end up with, as he's got great ball skills and is a fantastic return man. I was only disappointed that a seemingly yearly tradition of a draft day trade between Philly/NE ended, since both teams has traded with each other the past five or so straight drafts ha.
Quote from: SPDougie on May 01, 2012, 04:17:02 AM
I've been to every Arizona State home game the past two season and Burfict is an overrated POS. I am glad he went undrafted leaving school after his junior year though I'm not sure our new HC Todd Graham would have even wanted him back since the goal is to get rid of Dennis Erickson's undisciplined trash. I really don't see Burfict making it in the NFL because 1) he's incredibly slow 2) takes a ton of plays off 3) has horrible instincts 4) leagues the world in getting bonehead personal fouls 5) is a complete mess of a person off the field. Definitely no risk involved but the guy is trash, but I am a bit bias I guess lol.
I've heard a lot of ASU fans say this.
I'm an SEC guy myself, so I haven't watched any ASU games and I can't judge for myself. I know a lot of draft experts said he had a lot of talent but he had a lot of skeletons to go along with it.
I don't mind the signing, all it costs the team is a free agent tender. I'm cool with that.
Cincy takes a lot of chances on guys like this. Sometimes it doesn't pan out (Odell Thurman, AJ Nicholson), but if they can get a starter for peanuts, then I don't mind. So long as it doesn't cause locker room strife, of course.
One thing to consider too, Rey Maualuga is the starting ILB for Cincy and will probably serve a suspension to start the season. The backup is Dan Skuta, who has played ok at times but isn't what you'd call starter quality. If he can get his mind right, Burfict could very well start the season as the starting ILB.
Quote from: Cory on May 01, 2012, 12:46:35 AM
As far as my Iggles...
Fletcher Cox was the best d-tackle in the draft, slipped out of top 10 and Philly gave up a 4th to go grab him. Cox will be an instant starter and its going to be "sacks on sacks" with Trent Cole, Jason Babin, Cullen Jenkins, and now Cox.
2nd round, Mychael Kendricks PAC 12 defensive player of the year, great open field tackler, cant stop the run and ran the fastest LB 40 in like 12 years (think I saw on twitter) so hes got wheels. Also loved the Vinny Curry pick, always been a Eagles fan = heart for the team, near replica of Trent Cole playing wise, and was 1st round grade in lots of mocks, getting him late in the 2nd was great.
CB Brandon Boykin many call one of the steals in the draft, hope to see what he can contribute. Still really pissed Philly didnt go after Lamar Miller (RB, Miami) to backup LeSean, but meh.
I think the Eagles had one of the better drafts. They addressed their concerns on defense and got some good players. I like the Brandon Boykins pick. Being a Gamecocks die hard fan I've seen Boykins over the last couple of years and the guy can play football.
Quote from: JackHondo on May 01, 2012, 08:32:01 AM
I've heard a lot of ASU fans say this.
I'm an SEC guy myself, so I haven't watched any ASU games and I can't judge for myself. I know a lot of draft experts said he had a lot of talent but he had a lot of skeletons to go along with it.
I don't mind the signing, all it costs the team is a free agent tender. I'm cool with that.
Cincy takes a lot of chances on guys like this. Sometimes it doesn't pan out (Odell Thurman, AJ Nicholson), but if they can get a starter for peanuts, then I don't mind. So long as it doesn't cause locker room strife, of course.
One thing to consider too, Rey Maualuga is the starting ILB for Cincy and will probably serve a suspension to start the season. The backup is Dan Skuta, who has played ok at times but isn't what you'd call starter quality. If he can get his mind right, Burfict could very well start the season as the starting ILB.
May God have mercy on all your souls if Burfict ends up the starting ILB lol. Even though I think the kid is a piece of trash maybe he'll gain some maturity since he isn't going to be coddled or have things handed to him like before. He sure does have the talent if he can put it all together but we'll see if that ever happens. Besides that though, I agree that the Bengals had a fantastic draft. Only minor quibble I have is I think they should have drafted Cordy Glenn instead of Kevin Zeitler but that could just be the SEC bias in me.
Wisconsin lineman (Zeitler) > Georgia Lineman (Glenn)
IMO.
Maybe so, like I said I do have an SEC bias. I think Glenn has a bit more versatility to play either tackle or guard, but your point of Wisconsin lineman, when they have produced so many good ones is a fair point.
Quote from: JustinP on April 30, 2012, 10:16:10 AM
I think Alshon coupled with Marshall gives Cutler all the firepower he needs. I may be biased, but I think Alshon is the best pure receiver in the draft. He's dropped the weight and he's increased his speed. The guy is a monster and catches everything that is thrown his way.
Believe he has now been locked up for 4 years on contract.
The problem with Alshon is he only dropped weight to get a job. The shape he played at in college at 240 lbs, he will not be a successful WR in the NFL if that weight problem arises again. He is as talented as anyone but it's all on him establishing the work ethic, so if the Bears can make sure he does that then they will have something.
He bumps up to 240, make the chubby son bitch a tight end.
Quote from: Cory on May 03, 2012, 11:01:25 PM
He bumps up to 240, make the chubby son bitch a tight end.
That's his only choice if he continues to have weight issues or just pull a Mike Williams and leave the leave for a couple years before you get it all together.
First of all he didn't lose the weight just to get a job. Steve Spurrier and the rest of the coaching staff never made him lose the weight, or lift weights for that matter. Even playing at 240 pounds he DOMINATED the SEC. Even this past season he did decent despite the absolute shitty QB play for the Gamecocks. He will be a good receiver.
Quote from: JustinP on May 04, 2012, 11:45:20 AM
First of all he didn't lose the weight just to get a job. Steve Spurrier and the rest of the coaching staff never made him lose the weight, or lift weights for that matter. Even playing at 240 pounds he DOMINATED the SEC. Even this past season he did decent despite the absolute shitty QB play for the Gamecocks. He will be a good receiver.
No offense but I'm not sure how you can say with fact he didn't lose weight to get a job. To a lot of people that is exactly what it looked like and was a big red flag. I'm sure the coaching staff at SC has some fault in things but players also need to take responsibility for themselves and fairly or unfairly a lot of people see him as lazy. I have no doubts in his abilities but if he doesnt control his weight he won't be very good at the NFL level. I have nothing against the kid though and hope he does and is able to succeed at the next level.