Now, before all you Hogan haters begin abusing Hogan, please refrain of this in this thread. :) (I being one of them :D )
I would simply like to hear your opinions on what will come of this match I.E Abyss being pushed? Abyss/AJ feud and eventual title bout? Abyss demasked?
Etc Etc
In my opinion, I believe Abyss is well due for a push, and especially with Hogan/EB backing him, it is not a matter of 'if' its a matter of 'when'. I'd love to see Abyss get the title again, its been so long since a big man has been champion.
Whats your opinions guys?
Regards,
JDM
He's been there for a while, paid his dues, and is a decent worker.. but giving him the strap? NO!
He's not great in the ring. Mediocre at best. He has ZERO mic skills since he lost what's his face years ago. And AJ has been due to hold that belt for a few years now. His thing with Flair? GREAT. It needs to stay that way. I don't care if he's got Jesus backing him up, Abyss should NOT beat AJ for the belt should they feud over it.
I have to agree with mediocre ring skills. But saying he has ZERO mic skills is not true IMO.
I agree, he needs a good manager like James Mitchells to elevate himself once again.
But I do hope they feud if Abyss can get a good manager.
Regards,
JDM
Funnily this is where Triple B sees the starts of Hogan putting the belt on himself, for me I thought it was a played out angle using the live show to get Hogan and Flair fans to switch channels to see them wrestle. I am all for the match. Abyss I think is being touted as a few are like Pope etc. as contenders to Styles throne. Remember TNA are trying to use these more well know stars like your Flairs, Hogans, Nasty Boys etc to get folks unfamiliar with TNA to flip channels and stick with them.
Thinik its a great angle and Abyss is a contender, but not a Champion in my opinion. TNA's version of Kane.
Quote from: 'The Lame' Ian Est Credible on March 02, 2010, 05:30:04 AM
Funnily this is where Triple B sees the starts of Hogan putting the belt on himself, for me I thought it was a played out angle using the live show to get Hogan and Flair fans to switch channels to see them wrestle. I am all for the match. Abyss I think is being touted as a few are like Pope etc. as contenders to Styles throne. Remember TNA are trying to use these more well know stars like your Flairs, Hogans, Nasty Boys etc to get folks unfamiliar with TNA to flip channels and stick with them.
Thinik its a great angle and Abyss is a contender, but not a Champion in my opinion. TNA's version of Kane.
Wise words from a wise man!
Regards,
JDM
Quote from: The Jesus of the Moon on March 02, 2010, 05:02:42 AM
I have to agree with mediocre ring skills. But saying he has ZERO mic skills is not true IMO.
I agree, he needs a good manager like James Mitchells to elevate himself once again.
But I do hope they feud if Abyss can get a good manager.
Regards,
JDM
The reason guys get managers is usually because they don't have mic skills. Not EVERY instance mind you, but most of the time.
I think the whole lord of the rings bullshit is nasty... I'm supposed to believe that a ring given to hulk hogan because vince mcmahon put him in the wwe HOF suddenly makes abyss better than he was? Please.
BUT
Match should be good.
Though Vince vs. Cena appeals to me more xD
Russ he is no longer abyss ... he is now The Hulk Lantern
It's real, it's damn real. He is Hulk Lantern.
r-e-t-a-r-d-e-d.
it's like tnas writing staff is the background cast from The Ringer.
Writing staff? Is that what you call the kids in each town writing on napkins with crayons?
Honestly, if casual fans will tune it to see Flair and Hogan, then they're doing the right thing. Sure, regular fans will H-A-T-E the match, and it will probably be bad when the two of them are in the ring (my guess is Abyss and Styles will be doing most of the work). Thing is, TNA is trying to grow, and in order to do that you have to get people to want to watch your show.
Come for Hogan/Flair, stay for Pope, Wolfe, etc. etc. Know what I mean?
the casual fan will see the power of the 'ring' and be like, what the fuck is this?
Thats what my father said last night when flicking through the channels last week. At first, he said why was Kane on channel 14.....and then why did they have a ring that gave him powers? Hes as casual as it gets. He only watches the undertakers matches at wrestlemania....and even then he just laughed at the fact that Hogan/Flair were still wrestling.
Quote from: Cory on March 05, 2010, 01:03:58 PM
the casual fan will see the power of the 'ring' and be like, what the fuck is this?
Thats what my father said last night when flicking through the channels last week. At first, he said why was Kane on channel 14.....and then why did they have a ring that gave him powers? Hes as casual as it gets. He only watches the undertakers matches at wrestlemania....and even then he just laughed at the fact that Hogan/Flair were still wrestling.
When was the last time your old man bought a wrestling t-shirt or paid to see a live show? Plus he tunes into Mania once a year. I am sure wrestling promoters are sad to lose this fan. Dont take that the wrong way, but hopefully you get my point mate.
I fully understand, but I think that if my old man can see the ...flaws I guess in this, most people would too.
General 'Problems' Synopsis:
- Masked monster has super powers from a ring
- Two 60+ guys are wrestling
This shouldn't be the big match to go ahead against Raw. I really wanted TNA to be cool to watch, with less roided-out, 'I only do 7 moves a match' wrestlers like WWE predominatly has, to actually see athletes do things that are essentially impossible to the viewer. Anyone hypothetically can do a FU (Cena) or a Chokeslam, but no one would do the crazy flips and shit that the x-division does, or Samoa Joe/Nigels moveset.
And the Ring....isn't TNA trying to target the Attitude era fans? Then why in the fuck have some corny, unbelievable gimmick the biggest in the company?
Instead we got awful storylines (I'll say some decent mic-work though) and some of the worst booking I think i've ever witnessed. Have RVD come in and Feud with Styles, that'd be fucking sick. Not Flair/Hogan ...or even Abyss in the same match as AJ Styles. Niehter 3 can keep up with Styles pace, so he'll have to perform to their level as opposed to everyone else stepping it up to Styles level, which totally defeat the purpose of a main event with your champion, on what could be their most important show ever.
Im not even going to think about this anymore. This...all of this, is why MMA is kicking wrestlings ass right now. People in the wrestling business, especially the writers are actually retarded.
Maybe someone with creativity will be signed in time for the TNA Live show and help them out. Have the Motor City Machine Gunns go at it in a best of 7 for a new TV title. *Cuz who needs a Legends belt?*
Quote from: Cory on March 05, 2010, 01:25:31 PM
Anyone hypothetically can do a FU (Cena) or a Chokeslam, but no one would do the crazy flips and shit that the x-division does, or Samoa Joe/Nigels moveset.
Reminds me of the time Billy Kidman said "Anyone can go out there and do an F5" after Brock attempted that Shooting Star Press at WM19, lol
it a stunt , for theshow , one do people really want to aarp memebers going at it . like I stated before , you could have the main event Styles , Wolfe with flair in there corner vs Abyss and the Pope with Hulk in there corner still get the same buzz you are getting now , Hulk vs Flair has been done before , it nothing special . but you think you can actually build up say pope be the number one contender for the following ppv , hell build for the the next coming ppv , wait going to that on the live show , I see. the ppv is what two weeks away ... with only one show a week. it just spotlight grabing , hell were are th chris daniels , rhino , plenty of our wrestlers who could be in the spot that flair ang hogan are using right now ... but hogan/ bischoff got to the center of attention .... live show forget it , tna has broken me it does not exist anymore in my eyes . i try to like them i actually did but to put the garbage that they past off as tv is unbelieveable , if they were sitcom they be cancel by now
Hogan heel turn coming. Look out, Abyss..
I've got no problem with Hogan and Flair being in a tag match. Yes Hogan is 56 and Flair is 61, but they are probably the two biggest names in the industry and are simply trying to attract attention to the new Monday night show. Their obvious limitations will be covered for by Styles and Abyss and the match will probably be short anyway. If it was a 20 minute Hogan/Flair singles bout, then that would be poor for business.
This whole angle is stupid.
There's no other way to describe it. I've been a wrestling fan for most of my life. I remember when Cactus Jack got amnesia. I remember when Mae Young gave birth to a hand. I remember when Chyna was considered a big star. But Abyss in the Hulkamania Corps? That is stupid.
Hogan and Flair? Hell, they're two of the biggest names in wrestling. And if they have two younger guys to cover the many limitations they now have, they could work a decent tag match. But you know what the really stupid thing is? They're not putting the match on Pay-Per-View.
Do I believe Hogan and Flair in a PPV match would draw a monster buy rate? Hell no. Do I believe it would draw slightly more than the 20,000 - 30,000 buys TNA currently gets? Yes. Because if you book it properly, Ric Flair's return to the ring on American soil for the first time in two years can be a big deal. Hulk Hogan, the biggest star in wrestling history, stepping into a TNA ring for the very first time can be a big deal. And if you actually gave a damn and booked a serious angle around it, you could make money.
But this? Throwing them into the ring to pop a TV rating, surrounded by bullshit? That's not going to win you any long-term fans. The hardcore fans, they'll still watch. But hardcore fans don't fill out 20,000 seat arenas. To do that, you have to hook in casual fans. TNA isn't doing that - at least, not well enough to make those casual fans give a damn about their PPVs.
In summation - Styles will work his ass off, Abyss will bleed, Flair will also bleed and Hogan won't hit the legdrop because his hips are shot. The effect to the Nielsen rating will probably be pretty negligible and no one will buy Destination X (which, by the way, is in two weeks.)