So Man Utd have given up and sacked Moyes. With 3 games to go I genuinely don't get the point
Not the only one.
It's not like the season can really be salvaged now, should have at least waited until the end of the season if they were set on doing it.
However, wasn't it ferguson who said when he retired this was a long term project, so really one season, although not great still wasn't the worst season ever and he still was never given a full chance especially with fergies boys still ruling the locker room
was a poisoned chalice from the beginning, especially with the way fergie proceeded to sit in the director's box every game
casts an even bigger shadow when he's physically there
Why offer a six year contract if there was never the intention of giving him the chance to build? I can only imagine the board were naive enough to believe finishing outside of the champions league was unlikely despite all the upheaval.
Brendan Rogers and Liverpool is a perfect example of sticking with a manager and giving him time and patience and support. Going to be tough to find a top manager who wants the job at United now, though the burden might be somewhat dampened on whoever is next in charge, as they only have to perform better than Moyes in their first season.
He should never have had the job in the first place.
Who do you think should get the job, Kirk? OR more, who are you hoping for? I know Klopp and Pep have ruled themselves out which was to be expected.
Klopp would have been the best option for the short and long term, but I suppose Van Gaal would be the best available at the moment. There were better options last year when Moyes was selected.
We need someone who knows how he wants the team to play and has the reputation and balls to deal with Rooney and the other troublesome players in the squad. If they happen to have a great working relationship with our best striker and a list of contacts filled with excellent Dutch players, even better.
Is Van Gaal the man? 15 of his 19 trophies were won 14 years ago or more.
If Van Gaal can come in on a short term deal and lay down a similar structure to what he did at Bayern and Barcelona, it could work, but like Dorling pointed out, I don't think he will be the man that turns the club back into a powerhouse. I don't think many managers like Klopp will want the job as it is now, so a transitional manager makes sense.
I'm surprised to see how many fans want Giggs to keep the job permanently along with the other '92 coaches.
It's nostalgia and because he's 'united through and through', completely regardless of any managerial abilities he might or might not have.
Quote from: Flins. on April 24, 2014, 10:01:23 AM
If Van Gaal can come in on a short term deal and lay down a similar structure to what he did at Bayern and Barcelona, it could work, but like Dorling pointed out, I don't think he will be the man that turns the club back into a powerhouse. I don't think many managers like Klopp will want the job as it is now, so a transitional manager makes sense.
I'm surprised to see how many fans want Giggs to keep the job permanently along with the other '92 coaches.
This is what I've been thinking (and what I think should have been done last year). We need someone who can steady the ship and keep us competitive in the short term so that we can bring in someone with a longer term vision who can start from a strong base.
I wouldnt mind seeing Giggs have a decent crack at the job. Cant be much worse than this season. And to be fair Giggs would attract more players to play at United than David Moyes was capable of.
As long as they dont get Klopp from Dortmund...want him for when "9yrs and a sure loss to Hull in the FA Cup finals without a trophy" Wenger gets the boot.
The problem is that these are not just footballing decisions at Utd anymore. With the way the club was bought and the methods the Glaziers have used to service the debt, all these decisions have to be made with an eye on the NYSE. Bringing in Giggs might work out in a footballing sense but it would be too much of a risk for the share price. The sooner the Glaziers pay off their debts and bugger off, the sooner the board can start making purely football decisions again.
I still say one of the best things any club can do is get a recognized name to be their manager whether or former player who was great or just a great manager. David Moyes had no name recognition. He couldnt attract the right players to Manchester United and pinned all his hopes on two Everton players who are pretty mediocre (and we still signed the shitter one).
I would fully support Giggs getting the job fulltime. I'd rather build with a lad who has been with the club since 1987 and wants to bring the flair back to United than anyone else. I also love the fact this opens up for a lot of former players to be involved in coaching roles. Back to basics football.
Reports say that he's been got rid of now because the compensation is only 1 year once he's technically not in the top 4 and thus champions league for next year. People are saying Glazers agreed to get rid in February but waited to save the money. Don't know if I believe it or not.
I think it'll probably be Van Gaal from whose available. Would be a real gamble on Giggs. I think that it would potentially be a mistake from the Glazers though because I think United would have to be pretty bad to be able to sack him.
Quote from: Kirk on April 26, 2014, 12:49:06 AM
The problem is that these are not just footballing decisions at Utd anymore. With the way the club was bought and the methods the Glaziers have used to service the debt, all these decisions have to be made with an eye on the NYSE. Bringing in Giggs might work out in a footballing sense but it would be too much of a risk for the share price. The sooner the Glaziers pay off their debts and bugger off, the sooner the board can start making purely football decisions again.
The share price rocketed the day moyes got sacked
4-0 and we all looked happy.
Quote from: Ian "Wolfie" Trumps on April 26, 2014, 04:09:34 PM
4-0 and we all looked happy.
What could have been in Moyes was sacked 34 games ago?
(http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae61/BladeisGFX/1001984_10152047589988202_4838737368480910941_n.jpg)
Amazing that he went from a man who ground out results with no budget and loan signings to being given a have decent pot and totally finding a way to make United one of the most boring teams in football.
As for Ryan Giggs....
4-0!
What do you all think of the job Giggs has been doing so far? The performance against Sunderland was obviously crap, but I like that he's giving everyone a chance and trying new players. It will give the next guy a better idea of what they're capable of.
Too soon to judge to be honest. The Hull game is a non factor too as they've been shit since confirming safety and winning the fa cup semi - none of them are making any tackles because they don't want to hurt themselves before next weekend!
I wouldn't call for Giggs to be given the job full time, but I like the approach he's taken to the end of the season. We're not going to get caught and finishing one position higher isn't necessarily a good thing (I'd like to get into the Europa league and try to win it next season, but I can understand the argument against it). Giggs knows he hasn't got the job next year and seems to be treating the games as exhibition matches. After the miserable season we've had, I'm quite happy to see this approach and a few new faces. Hopefully it's also shown the next manager just how bad Utd are when Young and Nani start (it's a shame about Nani because he was a really exciting player before Fergie ruined him).