Just watch the pliot episode "Gotham" and its amazing! We got to see [spoiler]Penguin, Posion Ivy, The Joker, and Catwomen[/spoiler] This show is going to have many seasons because of the origins of many of the heroes and villains. Also, Alfred is a freaking badass!
[spoiler]The Joker? Are you assuming that the man who killed his parents is him? That wasn't always the case. That was Burton's thing. And you forgot The Riddler was on tonight....[/spoiler]
[spoiler]Or was your thinking that The Joker was the comedian in Fish's club?[/spoiler]
it fox ...
I don't trust Fox
if the show doesn't get the ratings it doesn't matter how many stories it has to tell.
I'm going to assume that it's cancelled already and then wait to see if it gets another series before I invest any time in it.
I personally enjoyed the episode and I think they did some damn good stuff to build on. You got to see 4 iconic villains before they became villains, they established that Gordon is the good guy cop, and Jada Pinkett Smith was damn good as the evil bitch. Overall, it was a solid introduction episode, and I think it can last for a little bit, provided they have more than just the backstories or origins for Batman and his villains. This really should be more about Jim Gordon and him trying to clean up Gotham and the police department, with Batman stuff tied in.
Quote from: Gravedigger on September 23, 2014, 12:14:03 AM
[spoiler]Or was your thinking that The Joker was the comedian in Fish's club?[/spoiler]
Yes, I think that is him and the wife even said is that [spoiler]The Joker he doesn't have the chemical burns yet. He looks normal. The other theory is Red Hood debuts soon.[/spoiler]
I'm gonna watch it shortly. Hella-excited.
It sure does lack subtelty though ... I'm waiting and seeing after the 1st episode.
Despite my hatred for what Fox does to all of my favourite shows, I watched the first episode. I agree with Pancho. As with Agents of Shield, they could have been a lot more ambitious with this and made something great. They chose the easy option instead. I like it, but it's not exactly must watch TV like The Shield/The Wire/True Crime and it really could have been.
Don't knock Shield for its slow start....it laid groundwork for a tremendous 2nd half of the season. Especially the post Cap 2 eps.
Bill Paxton was great in it and all of the episodes with his character were worth watching.
The penguin seems like the best character by far. Gordons wife is terrible.
Quote from: ! JDM The Professional ! on September 25, 2014, 07:07:19 AM
The penguin seems like the best character by far. Gordons wife is terrible.
What I can tell she suppose to be a terrible human being. [spoiler]This is Gordon's first wife his current wife in the Nolan series is his 2nd[/spoiler]
I dunno about this series. The pilot seemed to just want to cram every Batman reference the writer's could think of in lieu of storytelling. Catwoman happens to witness the Wayne murders? Riddler happens to work for Gordon? Penguin happens to serve the crimelord that has favor with the GCPD? Ivy's father happens to be the guy who gets framed?
Admittedly I don't know if any of this is canon or not, but still it's just hard to suspend my disbelief with the way they are cramming cameos and such.
Quote from: T-Brother on September 25, 2014, 08:24:45 PM
I dunno about this series. The pilot seemed to just want to cram every Batman reference the writer's could think of in lieu of storytelling. Catwoman happens to witness the Wayne murders? Riddler happens to work for Gordon? Penguin happens to serve the crimelord that has favor with the GCPD? Ivy's father happens to be the guy who gets framed?
Admittedly I don't know if any of this is canon or not, but still it's just hard to suspend my disbelief with the way they are cramming cameos and such.
It not canon... honest not sold on this ... being I just want to see batman beat the shit out of bad guys. I am not going to be seeing that for long time. plus I know the origins of the villains , it been told before .
maybe I don't like it because deep down I always felt Batman came before the Villains. His rise to stop the underworld is the catalyst to the birth of his Rouges Gallery
in the end I would love it been more like Batman year one... I would tune in every week to see a live action batman
It's Jim Gordon year one.
I don't believe this series is ever going to have Batman in it, and if that is what people are waiting for they are going to be disappointed.
Every advertisement for this show has talked about this being a show about stuff that happened before Batman, as Gordon rose in the ranks as a detective. Riddler doesn't work for Gordon, Edward Nygma is a medical examiner with a panache for speaking in riddles that gets on other peoples nerves.
I enjoyed the show, but probably because I watched it expecting it not to be a super hero show. It's a police procedural, with comic book flavor.
Quote from: Domingo on September 26, 2014, 02:03:31 AM
It's Jim Gordon year one.
I don't believe this series is ever going to have Batman in it, and if that is what people are waiting for they are going to be disappointed.
Every advertisement for this show has talked about this being a show about stuff that happened before Batman, as Gordon rose in the ranks as a detective. Riddler doesn't work for Gordon, Edward Nygma is a medical examiner with a panache for speaking in riddles that gets on other peoples nerves.
I enjoyed the show, but probably because I watched it expecting it not to be a super hero show. It's a police procedural, with comic book flavor.
It's a police procedural without any police procedure. It's a spot fest with cameos and fights instead of any actual investigation, tension or story. Hopefully it improves quickly from here.
The show is built on the premise that you care about what was happening in Gotham before Batman hit the scene...I will be honest I don't care that much about what Gotham was before the Batman era begun. I have feeling it not going to have enough solid story to hold the viewers , because in the end it about Jim Gordon and not Batman. yes the cameos are fun... in the end that going to get old pretty quick.
don't get me wrong love Jim Gordon as a character, but not enough to carry a whole series.
If I remember right the Wayne's murder takes years before they figure it out. I do like the nior feel to it. The origin of Jim Gordon is an untapped story. Everyone knows how Bruce becomes Batman. The other stories of Alfred becoming a father figure to Bruce, Gordon moving through the ranks, Bullock losing his rank and becoming a bitter man, and how the mob lost control of Gotham are the key points here.
Quote from: Krazy on September 26, 2014, 12:15:13 PM
If I remember right the Wayne's murder takes years before they figure it out. I do like the nior feel to it. The origin of Jim Gordon is an untapped story. Everyone knows how Bruce becomes Batman. The other stories of Alfred becoming a father figure to Bruce, Gordon moving through the ranks, Bullock losing his rank and becoming a bitter man, and how the mob lost control of Gotham are the key points here.
Thought it was done better in year one... but I can see where your coming from...thing is Krazy you might be in the minority of viewers here ....meaning I don't think there enough of you watching to keep the ratings at what FOX wants ... because they are fucking FOX and there going to dump it at the first sign of trouble
they fucking always do that
Quote from: Black Death on September 26, 2014, 12:52:35 PM
Thought it was done better in year one... but I can see where your coming from...thing is Krazy you might be in the minority of viewers here ....meaning I don't think there enough of you watching to keep the ratings at what FOX wants ... because they are fucking FOX and there going to dump it at the first sign of trouble
they fucking always do that
I am drawing from the comics if I remember the guy get away with it until Bruce as Batman finds him and deals punishment.
it been re-done over years ... with every new re-boot of the DC Verse but believe the most popular one was Joe Chill was the man that did it ...
Quote from: Black Death on September 26, 2014, 12:52:35 PM
Thought it was done better in year one... but I can see where your coming from...thing is Krazy you might be in the minority of viewers here ....meaning I don't think there enough of you watching to keep the ratings at what FOX wants ... because they are fucking FOX and there going to dump it at the first sign of trouble
they fucking always do that
Someone is still bitter about Almost Human.
Quote from: Mike Powers on September 26, 2014, 10:44:17 PM
Someone is still bitter about Almost Human.
I know I am... bastards.
Quote from: Mike Powers on September 26, 2014, 10:44:17 PM
Someone is still bitter about Almost Human.
Bingo!!!
Bastards
Quote from: Kirk on September 26, 2014, 02:54:43 AM
It's a police procedural without any police procedure. It's a spot fest with cameos and fights instead of any actual investigation, tension or story. Hopefully it improves quickly from here.
The truth though is that Jim Gordon HAS to fail in his attempt to clean up the city. It doesn't get clean till Batman shows and EVEN then there will always be dirty cops.
The worst part for me was the Bruce Alfred relationship. In the first episode we have to show that he is trying to conquer fear? That couldn't be a build to a child becoming a man faster than he should?
That's what happens when you try to build a super hero show without a super hero. It should be more Law and Order style with Gordon getting screwed by the corrupt entities. It should be him dealing with those structures that become shackles when fighting against the corrupt.
But it won't. But I'll watch. But I'll be quick to abandon as well.
In essence, they had a good idea but seem to have rushed and wasted it.
I think we should give it a few episodes before making assumptions about where this is going. Did they put too many characters in the pilot? Yes. With the amount of characters involved they would have been better off getting a two hour debut, but even then they probably should have stuck to one origin. I'd go Penguin because he seemed to be the most interesting in the pilot.
It will be interesting to see how viewership goes. If people realize that they are a long way away from seeing the batsuit, a high number of viewers might go away. I think there's enough here to make a good show, as long as each episode doesn't revolve around 857485748574857487 characters, but people might leave the show behind if they don't see the bat....
Wayne is a kid, how can anyone go into this expecting to see Batman?
Quote from: T-Brother on September 27, 2014, 09:23:21 PM
Wayne is a kid, how can anyone go into this expecting to see Batman?
because a lot of people are not that bright
:D
Quote from: Black Death on September 27, 2014, 10:19:15 PM
because a lot of people are not that bright
:D
Yeah, some people are really dumb and don't understand what a backstory is.
Quote from: Krazy on September 27, 2014, 10:59:41 PM
Yeah, some people are really dumb and don't understand what a backstory is.
Like the writers to this show?
Soooo, I've got the first 3 eps sitting on my DVR. Worthwhile watch, or no?
Quote from: Mike Powers on October 07, 2014, 12:35:23 AM
Soooo, I've got the first 3 eps sitting on my DVR. Worthwhile watch, or no?
watch them and tell us what you think
I have nothing really against the show, besides it being on Fox, who will cancel at the drop of a hat.
So far, liked the 3rd episode the best.
Then again, second ep I need to re-watch as I kind of zoned out during it.
With the exception of the Penguin, this could be one of the worst acted shows I have ever seen. Its horrible so far. I also got the feeling there was this need to cram in as many 'ohhhh thats so and so before they become so and so' moments in the first two episiodes. Added to that and whoever thought Sean Pertwee was a good Alfred is beyond me. To me he will always be one of the hooligans in the British TV/Film I.D. where he was good. Wandering around calling everyone 'mate' seems a bit of a stretch for him...
I just feel like this show is going to tank...
I saw something during the sewer scene that could be foreshadowing can someone confirm they saw [spoiler]"Haha put a smile on your face" Spray painted in joker color on a wall[/spoiler]
Gotham Season 1 Is Getting Way More Episodes, Get The Specifics Here
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Gotham is a series that is more gritty than glittering, but that seems to be exactly what the doctor has ordered. Fans have flocked to the DC Entertainment series airing on Fox across its first few weeks, and it seems like the show has numerous characters and directions to still develop. With that in mind, it's no surprise that Fox would want to sign on for additional episodes of the hit series. On Monday, the network announced that it had signed on for a full season of Gotham, which means fans have six more episodes to look forward to.
The confidence in the series all comes down to number crunching. Fox is reporting the show has been this fall's top-ranking broadcast among men in the 18-49 demographic. I think the network is only counting broadcast, here, but even if they aren't, the recent premiere of The Walking Dead Season 5 might put those numbers down a little bit. Still, Fox is also noting the show outperformed both The Blacklist and Scorpion during its premiere week and has continued to do well in subsequent episodes. When calculating Live+3 ratings, all three episodes have done at least a 4.0 rating. In fact, Gotham has been the highest ranked debut Fox has aired in 14 years. When considering network TV's faltering in the ratings thanks to better cable programming, rising costs and Netflix, that hot fact is pretty impressive.
When Gotham first went to series, Fox gave the show a 16-episode order. That should have given the crew and writers an ample number of episodes to begin to build up the mythology related to Gotham, its villains, a young Bruce Wayne and, of course, James Gordon and Harvey Bullock. Now, we just have to hope that showrunner Bruce Heller and company have planned for the possibility of additional episodes, and will still be able to deliver a set of final episodes and a finale that are worth watching, without too much filler in between.
I would guess that the writers already have plan for landing those extra episodes. As the numbers show, Gotham is certainly a success for Fox and you would think that the cast and crew would have assumed a 22-episode order was on the way. With that in mind, there's a ton of different directions the extra six episodes could go in. Gotham has already promised us a slew of villains, and we can even name a few. We recently learned that Nicholas D'Agosto has signed on to play famous villain Harvey Dent in the series, although he's described as an "idealistic" District Attorney making a name for himself in Gotham by attacking those who are corrupt. We'll have to wait and see whether there are any two-faced attributes to his personality.
Fox's Gotham airs on Monday nights at 9 p.m. ET. This week's episode, "Arkham," will feature politicians in danger. While Gordan and Bullock race to save the day, Oswald Cobblepot gets a criminal name.
Quote from: Fnord on October 13, 2014, 09:13:02 PM
Oswald Cobblepot gets a criminal name.
Watch it'll be something stupid like "Penguin" or something... right?
You know since Arkham is being reopened does that mean we get [spoiler]Dr. Hugo Strange and Dr. Harleen Frances Quinzell M.D.[/spoiler]
Maybe down the line Krazy
Really liked last nights episode and feel the last two picked up some steam IMO
Well, the third season is well underway and it's dark as fuck.
Curious what people think about it now. Personally I really enjoy it. Reading the comments from two years ago some of the criticism seems to come from people expecting it to be something different than what it is.
Perhaps I am at an advantage because I'm neither a comic guy nor a detective show addict. Whatever genre it's supposed to be, it entertains me greatly with the larger than life characters, some of which I'm vaguely familiar with, and the stories despite being wildly over the top have a good sense of continuity.
I came into the show with no expectations, and find it very refreshing.
i still hate it
but just me ;D
Quote from: Black Death on November 05, 2016, 11:01:31 PM
i still hate it
but just me ;D
Buzz kill!!!! :P
I stopped half way through the first. Just couldn't get into it.