Figured now that it's live we have this to shit talk and the such.
Anyone want to make a few predictions as to who gets drafted where?
I predict tag teams get broken up needlessly for the *shock* factor, and other gimmicky roster distributions happen for the *shock* factor.
Basically the same old WWE draft nonsense.
Midas and I were talking about that.
What tag teams do you think they are going to split up?
Prediction:
Raw:
GM - HHH
Top Pick - Dean Ambrose
Other Notables - Roman Reigns, Randy Orton, The New Day, The Wyatts
Title Belts - WWE Championship, IC Title, Women's Title
[Tag Team belts flex between shows]
Smackdown:
GM - Daniel Bryan
Top Pick - John Cena
Other Notables - Seth Rollins, AJ Styles, Rusev, The Club, NXT (Balor + AA)
Title Belts: World Heavyweight Title, US Title, Cruiserweight Title
Quote from: Fnord on July 17, 2016, 11:29:30 PM
Midas and I were talking about that.
What tag teams do you think they are going to split up?
My guess is maybe someone from the Wyatts (Harper or Rowan) simply to even them out at 3 for an expected long feud with The New Day, maybe Enzo and Cass with how decent Cass looked solo too. I think KO and Zayn split up too
There won't be any teams split up. WWE.com put up an article with the rules of the draft as well as a list of male superstars, female superstars, and teams.
*Raw has the first overall pick
*Since SmackDown Live is a two-hour show and Raw is three hours, for every two picks SmackDown Live receives, Raw will receive three picks
*Tag teams count as one pick unless a Commissioner/General Manager specifically only wants one member of the team
*Six draft picks will be made off the NXT roster
Male Superstars
AJ Styles
Alberto Del Rio
Apollo Crews
Baron Corbin
Big Show
Braun Strowman
Bray Wyatt
Brock Lesnar
Cesaro
Chris Jericho
Darren Young (w/ Bob Backlund)
Dean Ambrose – WWE Champion
Demon Kane
Dolph Ziggler
Erick Rowan
Jack Swagger
John Cena
Kalisto
Kevin Owens
Mark Henry
Neville
Randy Orton
Roman Reigns
Rusev (w/ Lana) – United States Champion
Sami Zayn
Seth Rollins
Sheamus
Sin Cara
The Miz (w/ Maryse) – Intercontinental Champion
Titus O'Neil
Zack Ryder
Tag Teams
Breezango (Fandango and Tyler Breeze)
Enzo and Cass (Enzo Amore and Big Cass)
Gallows and Anderson (Luke Gallows and Karl Anderson)
Golden Truth (Goldust and R-Truth)
Shining Stars (Epico and Primo)
Social Outcasts (Bo Dallas, Curtis Axel and Heath Slater)
The Ascension (Konnor and Viktor)
The Dudley Boyz (Bubba Ray and D-Von Dudley)
The New Day (Big E, Kofi Kingston and Xavier Woods) – Tag Team Champions
The Usos (Jey and Jimmy Uso)
The Vaudevillains (Aiden English and Simon Gotch)
Female Superstars
Alicia Fox
Becky Lynch
Charlotte – WWE Women's Champion
Dana Brooke
Eva Marie
Naomi
Natalya
Paige
Sasha Banks
Summer Rae
That specifically says tag teams CAN be split up though....
Quote from: Mike Powers on July 17, 2016, 11:40:47 PM
That specifically says tag teams CAN be split up though....
Yes, it does say that they CAN be split up, but I highly doubt that there will be any split up. The fact that they made that tag teams count as one pick rule, tells me that they don't have plans to split any of them up.
The fact that they specifically made an exception tells me that they do.
I feel like Enzo and Cass are heading for Splitsville even though I don't want them to. Splitting the Lucha Dragons would be the most sensible I feel.
Quote from: Chris Shields on July 17, 2016, 11:42:55 PM
Yes, it does say that they CAN be split up, but I highly doubt that there will be any split up. The fact that they made that tag teams count as one pick rule, tells me that they don't have plans to split any of them up.
Care to make a wager on that? Because I'm certain that there will be a tag team split up, probably more than 1.
Interesting that Lucha Dragons aren't even listed as a tag team.
If they are going to have a Cruiserweight Title, that screams Enzo so I could see a split there.
Quote from: Talon on July 18, 2016, 02:41:21 PM
Interesting that Lucha Dragons aren't even listed as a tag team.
They announced today that they're entering the draft as singles competitors...
NO NO NO NO NO I QUIT
Well, that was shit.
Except Mojo. Mojo for Champion
how so?
at work at the moment
Raw:
General Manager: Mick Foley
Commissioner: Stephanie McMahon
Seth Rollins
Charlotte
Finn Bálor
Roman Reigns
Brock Lesnar
The New Day
Sami Zayn
Sasha Banks
Chris Jericho
Rusev & Lana
Kevin Owens
Enzo & Cass
Gallows & Anderson
Big Show
Nia Jax
Neville
Cesaro
Sheamus
Golden Truth
Titus O'Neil
Paige
Darren Young
Sin Cara
Jack Swagger
The Dudley Boyz
Summer Rae
Mark Henry
Braun Strowman
Bo Dallas
Shining Stars
Alicia Fox
Dana Brooke
Curtis Axel
SmackDown:
General Manager: Daniel Bryan
Commissioner: Shane McMahon
Dean Ambrose
A.J. Styles
John Cena
Randy Orton
Bray Wyatt
Becky Lynch
The Miz & Maryse
Baron Corbin
American Alpha
Dolph Ziggler
Natalya
Alberto Del Rio
The Usos
Demon Kane
Kalisto
Naomi
The Ascension
Zack Ryder
Apollo Crews
Alexa Bliss
Breezango
Eva Marie
The Vaudevillains
Erick Rowan
Mojo Rawley
Carmella
Undrafted
Commissioner Heath Slater
GM: Heath Slater
Heath Slater
He is a One Man Band
apparently not don on TV, nor on the network, the Announcers also got drafted.
http://www.wwe.com/article/new-wwe-announce-teams-revealed (http://www.wwe.com/article/new-wwe-announce-teams-revealed)
QuoteIt's a New Era for the entire landscape of WWE, which continues to change and evolve with the WWE Brand Extension Draft. That includes the announce teams for WWE programming. The teams for Raw, SmackDown, "WWE Superstars" and WWE Main Event are all experiencing a major shakeup, including one major voice changing shows and several rising commentators being inserted into the lineup.
The new announce teams for WWE's New Era will feature Michael Cole, Corey Graves and Byron Saxton Monday nights on Raw, while Mauro Ranallo, JBL and David Otunga handle the commentary for SmackDown Live every Tuesday night.
Also receiving a makeover will be the announce teams for WWE Superstars and WWE Main Event. Both shows will be led by Tom Phillips, and he will be joined each and every week by Graves on WWE Superstars and Otunga on WWE Main Event.
People I/Most people care about on each roster:
Raw: 15
Smackdown: 6ish
Summary:
1) How Bayley didn't get drafted must be heartbreaking for her. So much talk of he wanting to come up, being a huge part of the divas revolution AND not really in a feud for the NXT Women's title and FAR greener people in Nia Jax and Alexa Bliss Carmella getting pick, da fuq? I think Bliss has the best ass in his history of WWE but Bayley actually can wrestle 4* women's matches. She HAS to be the surprised partner at Battleground right?
2) Smackdown is CLEARLY the B show. Literally no mid card....which is good. I can simply check Styles's match and skip the rest. American Alpha has no one to feud with outside the Usos.....wtf. With Shane and Bryan representing the New Era...all the indy darlings went to Raw....must be missing something. I thought Smackdown was about the wrestling....gets mostly entertainers. I knew this was gonna go down piss poorly when they announced the Cruiserweights were going to be on Raw.
Dave Meltzer said only the top guys knew where they were going and the rest was a surprise. This is bad for wrestling fans, this was a 50/50 split of the roster rather than offering "unique brands" like we were sold on. All of the guys that deserve more time for matches like Cesaro, Owens, Zayn, Neville, Balor now are gonna be crammed in another weekly card loaded with the same old stale title pictures, much more emphasis on promos and commercial breaks and not enough time to establish storylines....= same fucking multi-man matches every fucking week. Cesaro dropped a mini-pipe bomb too....
EDIT: Check it here: https://twitter.com/DeathToAllMarks/status/755590615581065216
Like who the fuck is Smackdowns mid-card? Orton/Wyatt/Del Rio/Ziggler? I'd like to thank WWE for sure as hell calming the claims that we'd get wrestling overload and too much WWE with 5 hours a week because Smackdown just drafted like they were Al Davis and the Oakland Raiders....but even Al Davis would have drafted all the fast flippy guys we all wanted and expected. Hell even the announcers on Raw are one sided.
All the indy darlings are gonna get stuck in mid-card cause its going to be the Reigns show once he gets back. We could have had a perfect balance, fantasy booking with kinda the direction they showed tonight during the draft:
Raw: [Main Title A] Rollins v. Reigns, Owens vs Balor, [Tag Team Titles Feud] New Day/Wyatts, [Womens Title Feud] Charlotte vs Banks, Lesnar in/out, [Main US Title Feud] Rusev vs. Orton/Jericho, [Main Cruiserweight Feud] Neville vs Kalisto,
Smackdown: [Main Title B] Styles vs Cena, [IC Title Feud] Zayn vs Miz, AA or Enzo/Cass vs Gallows/Anderson, Austin Aries vs Cesaro, Becky vs Bayley, Del Rio vs Ziggler, Undertaker In/out (Since Cena needs to be his final opponent)
And the tease of former superstars returning was LOL, no mention of the best wrestler in the Wyatts in Luke Harper.
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All in all;
#1 Pro: No Wrestling Overload for this guy, I can watch Raw when I can and just read the sheets and see if anything on Smackdown was worth checking out.
#1 Con: The stales feuds didn't get dispersed. Having Owens, Zayn, Cesaro with their ceiling STILL being upper mid card is very disappointing....at least on Smackdown we'd have a chance of ONE (Owens most likely) getting a sniff of the World Title Picture. This draft preserved all of the old feuds....what new feuds can we get excited about? Ambrose and....Orton? Nope. No Balor vs AJ outside of super cards, Tag Titles will stay the same as well.
The SD Battle Royale is a sad affair right now....
SO...
A Women's Universal Title??
Show's not over yet, but this week at least, Raw's got it.
SD's adding some peeps, but this whole "Raw gets more people for being three hours" fucked SD.
Way to capitalize on the popularity of Ziggler......2 years too late.
Again, for how weak that roster is you kinda need Cena and Styles OUT of the title picture because they'll have stand alone feuds that can help the brand...I mean Styles/Ambrose is certainly ideal for the IWC, but Ziggler? Looking at that match Bray Wyatt had to be the choice.
Wyatt and Cena already did their thing, Styles will probably still feud with Cena, Orton is with Brock...so Bray is with?
Jag ushers what I said in the Raw thread, ideally you'd want 2, but if just ONE of Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn or Cesaro were on Smackdown how much better they'd be off. I'll say Kevin Owens was the guy since he's a heel.
What you have is (probably):
Raw: Rollins (Heel) vs Balor (Face), Reigns (Face) vs Owens (Heel)?, Zayn (Face) vs Neville (heel turn?) for Cruiserweight, Rusev (Heel) vs Cesaro (face), New Day (Face) vs The Club (Heel), Enzo & Cass (Face) vs Shining Stars (Heel), Sasha (Face) vs Charlotte (Heel).
Smackdown: Ambrose (Face) vs Ziggler (Face), Styles (Heel) vs Orton (Face), Cena (Face) vs Del Rio (Heel)?, Wyatt (Heel) vs Crews (Face), American Alpha (Face) vs The Usos (Face).
I think if you 'traded' maybe Orton, Del Rio and The Usos for Owens, Cesaro and Enzo and Cass there would be a perfect balance between established faces and heels and workers and entertainers.
What you COULD have would be:
Raw: Rollins (Face) vs Balor (Heel), Reigns (Face) vs Orton (Heel), Zayn (Face) vs Rusev (Heel), The New Day (Face) vs Balor Club (Heel), Sasha (Face) vs Charlotte (Heel), Neville (Tweener) leads the Cruiserweight Division
Smackdown: Ambrose (Face) vs Owens (Heel), Cesaro (Face) vs Styles (Heel), Cena (Face) vs Corbin (Heel), AA (Face) vs Enzo & Cass (Tweeners), Wyatt (Tweener) vs The Miz (Heel), Crews (Face) vs Ziggler (Heel).
...and then Smackdown gets priority on NXT guys like Joe, Nakamura, Aries. Raw still has more titles and power to fill the extra hour but Smackdown, the brand billed and sold to us as the home of 'New Era' would have the indy guys we all expected it to have.
well I say give them some time ... maybe a month to build some storylines , etc nothing going to happen right over night. goes for both RAW and SD
I'm just waiting for next week when Eric Escobar returns and hits whatever his move is on Heath Slater.
oh completely, I totally enjoyed Raw and SD was kinda meh, but there's certainly time...be it a trade or old guys coming back. With Shelton Benjamin returning to SD maybe Hass comes back and they feud with AA
I just can't see them filling a PPV on their own.
Solid show. Ziggler's an odd choice at this point, but I see where trying to re-build him to a high level makes sense. What hurts SD is coming one day after Raw, which was tremendous.
Good to see Shelton is coming back. He'll be a good midcard/fringe main event guy.
It was fine that RAW ended up with the bigger roster, but they ended up giving RAW too much and SD not enough. The Battle Royale for the 6th spot was pathetic. There were only 10 guys in it and 6 were in tag teams....we were left wondering if Kane or Apollo were going to get the nod because no one else was legit enough on their own except Miz who has a title already.
Obviously they can't create momentum for people over night. But we are going to collectively cringe next week when Erik Rowan attacks Apollo Crews to start a feud with no ramifications. Both guys are good workers, but they have absolutely no heat behind them. The brand split of course is supposed to alleviate that problem by giving those tiers of workers more time. They put all the mid-carders with heat on RAW. There are going to be growing pains on SD, and I worry that WWE won't give it enough time to get through this. Remember SD gets the first exclusive PPV after Summerslam too! They have less time than RAW to establish their show and also less workers to work with.
I have feeling that Joe and Nakamura could be on SD after SS weekend...
I could certainly see that, Smackdown needs it. Assuming Samoa Joe and Nakamura get called up....
NXT on the other hand is about get get an influx of guys from the CWC I'd assume.
Austin Aries, Hideo Itami, Bobby Roode and Andrade Cien Almas would still have the drawing power, plus more time for Rich Swann, Kota Ibushi, Tye Dillinger, and you'd assume Zach Sabre Jr and TJ Perkins.
Having now finished Smackdown I really enjoyed it. They do lack star power at the moment though that will hopefully change. In hoping they looked at that battle royal and thought there weren't enough names to make it interesting.
That being said I enjoyed the fact it felt like a different show to Raw completely. Different camera angles, different kind of commentary, different emphasis throughout the show on what was important.
I hope Joe, Aries and Nakamura get called up soon and as I said previously I can see Smackdown signing them as "free agents"
Joe and Nakamura aren't getting called up at the same time, one of them is going to be NXT champ after the weekend.
Owens was NXT Champ for two months on main roster. Being NXT Champ doesn't mean they can't do both....
Quote from: Gravedigger on July 27, 2016, 08:00:15 PM
Owens was NXT Champ for two months on main roster. Being NXT Champ doesn't mean they can't do both....
Yeah, it just means they won't this time. Unlike with KO who had Finn to take the belt off him, who is taking the belt of Joe or Nakamura? Outside of Bobby Roode who has yet to debut on TV (probably saving it for Takeover) who is there to main event and be the headline on their live shows? Aries? he's probably coming up after takeover after he puts over NWJ and probably going to RAW for the Crusierweight division. Hideo? Maybe. Asuka? Who is she wrestling?
Business sense, it makes no sense to call up both at the same time for NXT. When Corbin, Crews, Sami, Enzo/Cass, Vaudevillians were all called up around mania, it left a deft of talent to fill roles. Now after taking another 5 talents, three women from a currently shallow division, the top face team and the #1 guy you want to take the new top face, the top heel and the #2 heel in the "company"? In the span of 4 months, the only people left standing from the NXT Dallas show would be Asuka and Revival with only Roode and Itami to fill in. NXT isn't a developmental brand anymore, they need names to sell their weekend shows outside of Florida.
Heath Slater could go to nxt now :)
That was a joke of course, but maybe they can get back to sending some talent the other way temporarily like they did with Cesaro, Tyson and Natalya.
There are Rumors of quite a few people returning. Jinder Mahal is apparently going to Raw and Curt Hawkins to Smackdown, but the rest I've seen no mention of their shows. MVP, Carlito, Stevie Richards and Dreamer.
Quote from: jagilki on July 27, 2016, 10:21:02 PM
There are Rumors of quite a few people returning. Jinder Mahal is apparently going to Raw and Curt Hawkins to Smackdown, but the rest I've seen no mention of their shows. MVP, Carlito, Stevie Richards and Dreamer.
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I seen Mahal work when he was in NXT , He really good worker , if he comes back would be nice they actually did something with him.
Joe is the most likely to go up from NXT. Nakumara is going to take the belt off him at Brooklyn SS weekend . I expect him to then do least 6 months with it before they even think about bringing up to the main roster. Quite frankly I am fine with that
Bobby Roode debuts on NXT next week.
As for Smackdown, it was ok, not as good as RAW and the lack of roster depth is pretty obvious. Out of the two shows, they need talent and while it's good to see Rhyno back on TV (he can still work a decent match and the crowd responds to him well) and Shelton Benjamin, if motivated, can be really good, they really need some guys from NXT.
I'd wouldn't expect Joe and Nakamura to come up together - Teej is right, that would take a huge chunk out of the NXT roster and they need at least a few stars to draw on their own tour.
Whoever loses at Takeover should be on Smackdown the following week, or at least as soon as possible.
As for the actual SD show - Daniel Bryan is still the most over guy on the show. They'll need to use him well to help get guys over. His promo to light a fire under Ambrose at the PPV was awesome. Plus any heel that goes after him is going to get great heat. Shane's pandering act is already wearing a bit thin with me, but I still prefer a babyface in charge than a heel.
I like the idea with Ziggler, but it's going to take more than one title match to rebuild him. I never understand WWE's mentality of treating someone like a complete afterthought for years, then giving them a one month push and expecting it to make up for the years of crap they've put the character through. That said, Ziggler v Ambrose could be a good match. Ziggler is getting inducted into his college wrestling hall of fame soon - so I guess that's why this push is happening now.
Personally I'd have gone with Bray Wyatt v Ambrose. Bray's dropped weight, updated his look a little and seems motivated again. They haven't really done much with Wyatt as a singles guy and now he's one of the top guys on SD seems like as good a time as any. He could be a really strong lead heel going against Ambrose.
The show fell of a cliff for me in the 2nd hour when Miz and Orton did their thing. Nothing screams 'new era' more than those two coming out and boring everyone half to death.
Again though, it's only week 1 and just like with RAW I expect there to be lots of moves and changes over the next few months as both rosters get filled out and they start to book some new feuds.
RAW wins this week, but given I haven't watched a full episode of Smackdown in at least 5 years, and I watched the whole thing this week, they've got me interested to see how things go and I'll stick with it for the next few months.
Actually the Orton and Miz segment was the highlight of the night for me. Orton came across as entertaining for the first time in years, and Miz is great as always.
Orton needed to freshen up the mic skills because his wrestling ability alone won't get him over anymore.
In order to compete with the likes of Kevin Owens, Sami Zayn and Cesaro on the other show, he needed to be able to have something different.
I hope they're just trying Orton out as a face for the Lesnar thing, because he's so clearly a heel.
Quote from: Cory on July 29, 2016, 12:45:39 PM
I hope they're just trying Orton out as a face for the Lesnar thing, because he's so clearly a heel.
I actually like him as a tweener, because he can actually pull it off really well.
So I watched it (the condensed 80 minute version, same as Raw, thank you Hulu!)
Smackdown was not as good as Raw, but it was DIFFERENT! And that's an improvement in itself.
My one gripe has nothing to do with Smackdown itself as a show, but with the booking of Orton.
Orton is facing the fricking beast at Summerslam... who has laid waste to bigger names than Orton, like Cena and Taker, with no real challenge at all.
It's bad enough that we are supposed to buy Orton as a legitimate challenge, but now he's overselling his shoulder injury as well? A fucking INJURED Orton is supposed to be a credible threat to Lesner? Because he can "pull his finisher out of nowhere?"
That's ridiculous.
As far as Orton's banter with Miz goes, I go back to what I've always said... Orton has zero mic skills, but AMAZING facial expression and body language. He should not talk except on very rare occasions when he will grunt or give a one word answer.
Stop trying to make every wrestler some witty eloquent orator. It gets boring, and in the case of those who are not naturally inclined to it, they get overlooked despite being good at everything else.
Wrestling is supposed to be combative ballet. Stop having such a dependency on speech.
Quote from: T-Bonizzle on July 29, 2016, 09:57:03 AM
Actually the Orton and Miz segment was the highlight of the night for me. Orton came across as entertaining for the first time in years, and Miz is great as always.
This segment and the one with Jericho at Battleground are Randy's best entertainment segments ever. I'm actually interested in him now when he has a mic in his hand...
Orton is actually good oin the mic, I think he's just been stifled over his run because of the way they were booking him.
I found this week pretty boring to be honest.
Had it on in the background as I did some editing work, nothing stood out really sans the Slater/Rhino segment. Anyone else feel like they were just copying the 96 Austin/HBK feud layout minus winning the tag titles?
Yay, a 4th belt that is exactly the same. And as an added bonus, now instead of pennies, we got nickels!
Smackdown wins this week, not their best show but certainly watchable.
Bliss/Lynch was good, main event was good and I enjoy how much Heath Slater is over.
Hopefully Styles takes the belt of Ambrose at Backlash
and as incredibly average Miz is as a wrestler, this was a FANTASTIC promo.
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Miz made DB look like a fucking Punk.
Great promo!
I just watched this Miz tirade this morning and I loved it. I assumed it was a work and believe it to be a work but honestly they did a great job making me doubt it being a work several times. Bryan calling Miz a corward and Miz going off basically taking what I believe to be a sensitive subject with Bryan and turning it against him. The looks on Maryse and Renee's face was great and honestly when Miz looked at the camera and was screaming I really felt he was pissed and serious...
I didn't dislike Miz before this but I sure enough like him alot now... I really hope they keep the belt on him and ride this out kind of like when Honky Tonk Man was champion. No one during that era expected him to hold that title for that long but he did and when we look back at all the talented wrestlers of that era it is shocking he held it for that long. Miz should have a long title reign going after this record and seeing this promo made me think it is possible.
I'm watching Talking Smack now. It's almost better than Smackdown itself. lol
When Carmella turned heel, basically turning the returning Nikki back to face like a flip of the coin I was like... WTF... but then the random attack on Talking Smack leaving DB and Renee kinda speechless... that was good.
Miz has always been great on the mic. I hope to see more of this from him. Let him be angry instead of him being the "actor" blah blah that he has been doing. And poor DB all sad cause he's injured for life. I lol'd at his big angry vein popping out of Miz' head, tho. lol
I still don't see Smackdown filling a PPV.
Backlash PPV
WWE Title
Ambrose (c) VS Styles
SD Tag Team Title Match
Usos VS American Alpha
IC Title Match
Miz VS ??
Women's Title Match
6-Pack Challenge
Becky VS Nattie VS Nikki VS Carmella VS Bliss VS Naomi
What others?
Orton VS Wyatt? Will Orton be ready to wrestle in 2 weeks with that gash in his head?
Rhyno VS Slater ? I'm assuming their teamwork doesn't pan out
Corbin VS Kalisto ? cause he can only push Kalisto's head into a wall so much?
I mean, they'd almost have to use the entire roster to have matches and some of the matches will just seem like the same thing we see during SD.
RAW seems to have too many mid-carders and THEN they are adding in the Cruiserweight Title, but SD doesn't seem to have enough people.
On SD when they showed the 4 guys in the back with Ziggler (Rowan,Corbin,etc) I was like... well there's their whole roster. lol PPV matches are supposed to be "BIG" matches that mean something, not just matches we could/should see on SD.
Quote from: Midas on August 24, 2016, 11:29:45 AM
I just watched this Miz tirade this morning and I loved it. I assumed it was a work and believe it to be a work but honestly they did a great job making me doubt it being a work several times. Bryan calling Miz a corward and Miz going off basically taking what I believe to be a sensitive subject with Bryan and turning it against him. The looks on Maryse and Renee's face was great and honestly when Miz looked at the camera and was screaming I really felt he was pissed and serious...
I didn't dislike Miz before this but I sure enough like him alot now... I really hope they keep the belt on him and ride this out kind of like when Honky Tonk Man was champion. No one during that era expected him to hold that title for that long but he did and when we look back at all the talented wrestlers of that era it is shocking he held it for that long. Miz should have a long title reign going after this record and seeing this promo made me think it is possible.
NO! You get right off The Miz bandwagon. I am the ONLY fan of The Miz on this board, day in and day out, every day for 10 years! You're just a faker hitching yourself to the new fad. Where were you when he was the most must see WWE Champion of all time? Where were YOU during the dark days of his face turn? WHERE WERE YOU when he was feuding with Jerry Lawler? No where to be seen that's where! I thought so! You think you like him alot now? You don't know what it really is like to be a fan of The Miz's! You're a fake, you're a pretender, don't you walk away! I'm the one who loves The Miz and I deserve some respect for my fandom!
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Damn good promo by Miz, probably the best he's ever done. As much as I didn't like that they put Cena and Corbin on Smackdown I do have to say Smackdown has been a hell of a lot better than RAW has IMO.
Also I actually like the Smackdown Tag Title look better than the RAW with the Silver instead of Bronze, and as for the rest of the belts, I mean ehhh at least they don't have butterfly's on them.
OK, I just watched the condensed version on Smackdown and they didn't show this promo! At what point in the show did it happen?
It was on the network after show.
Miz is really one of the best talkers and has been for some time...but his moveset is maybe one of the worst which hurts his character. Sure his moveset is what keeps him healthy but its also one of things holding him back in the upper midcaard scene dominated by the best workers in the company.
What keeps him healthy is not catching his opponents, lol. And I say that as a Miz fan!
This was good. I think it's being overrated, but it was certainly a side of Miz that I liked seeing. My issue is how will he back this up... Will he use this to gain momentum and push himself toward being a top heel for the company, or will he stand backstage next week and talk about Indiana Jones again? If he does the same old stuff on Smackdown next Tuesday then this was a waste of a good promo.
Take the "pipebomb"... Would we remember it the same if Punk didn't have a classic match with Cena soon after and push himself to the top level of the WWE for 18 months? Yes, he was a star beforehand, but he used a tremendous promo to help push to another level for his career. That's what I'd like to see Miz do. I'm not a fan of his, but if he can catapult himself to a new level based on taking advantage of this promo then I'll respect the hell out of him for it. If he's the same guy next Tuesday, then it means nothing...
In fairness, that's not exactly up to him.
If he chooses to be a team player and do exactly what they say then I guess he gets what he gets. But didn't Vince say on the Stone Cold podcast he wants guys to grab the brass ring? That sounds to me like if you've got something to offer beyond what creative writes for you then put it out there. I'm not saying go off script completely and flat out reject what's been written for him, but if this promo is who Miz is, if this is the guy he wants the world to see, then he needs to show it to us each and every week. If he's determined to be this guy, then show us this guy...
Remember, creative once had us watching The Ringmaster and Rocky Maivia.... Sometimes the performer needs to put themselves out there and show us what they've got, not what they've been given.
Quote from: Gravedigger on August 24, 2016, 11:00:08 PM
If he chooses to be a team player and do exactly what they say then I guess he gets what he gets. But didn't Vince say on the Stone Cold podcast he wants guys to grab the brass ring? That sounds to me like if you've got something to offer beyond what creative writes for you then put it out there. I'm not saying go off script completely and flat out reject what's been written for him, but if this promo is who Miz is, if this is the guy he wants the world to see, then he needs to show it to us each and every week. If he's determined to be this guy, then show us this guy...
Remember, creative once had us watching The Ringmaster and Rocky Maivia.... Sometimes the performer needs to put themselves out there and show us what they've got, not what they've been given.
To be fair (and in the wrong topic) Cesaro has lowkey been spitting fire in his backstage segments recently...damn shame they're direct releases to the YouTube channel and not hitting television...in regards to someone taking the brass ring. Miz had the exposure, Cesaro has been doing it for weeks.
Is it leading anywhere with Bryan? Cause it felt like a promo to start a feud, but obviously Bryan's not physically cleared to wrestle. If it's not to set anything up with Bryan, then the need to parlay that heat Miz has (which will go really quick if he's back to just being dorky Miz next week) into a good feud for the IC Title.
It's a start for the guy. But like with Ziggler, if you present a guy a certain way for years on end, it takes more than one promo or one title match to undo the perception fans have of him.
But yeah, it was a fun shouty promo and Miz has always been good at them.
- Forbes has an article about the Miz - Daniel Bryan angle from Talking Smack this past Tuesday night. For what it's worth, they are reporting that "a source with inside knowledge" told them that "WWE has not completely shut the door on a Daniel Bryan return to the ring." They noted how Bryan had been cleared by doctors to return to the ring, but it was WWE that was preventing his return, that we had reported earlier this year.
They added that WWE is planning on continuing the angle with wrestlers calling out Bryan for not wrestling and retiring to continue to tease a Bryan return. They did admit that it "remains unlikely" that he will return to the ring.
Forbes is garbage.
I could see him punching Miz and maybe throwing on the Yes Lock, but I don't see a match happening...
Meltzer has said unless something changes very recently he's not returning to wrestling
Looking at the matches listed in the prediction game, it occurs to me that maybe the brand specific supercards (is there any point calling them pay-per-views anymore?) might only be two hours.
I really really hope this is the case. Honestly we don't need anymore three hour shows, and if it is only two hours, I might actually make the effort to watch it!
Quote from: Drama Queen on September 06, 2016, 10:37:38 PM
Looking at the matches listed in the prediction game, it occurs to me that maybe the brand specific supercards (is there any point calling them pay-per-views anymore?) might only be two hours.
Highly doubtful. The WWE Network has a three hour block for Backlash and an additional hour for the kickoff show, whereas Backlash has a FOUR hour block on PPV, which suggests that there is going to be an overrun which is becoming typical of the PPVs.
Quote from: Snap on September 07, 2016, 08:21:13 PM
Highly doubtful. The WWE Network has a three hour block for Backlash and an additional hour for the kickoff show, whereas Backlash has a FOUR hour block on PPV, which suggests that there is going to be an overrun which is becoming typical of the PPVs.
Jesus tap dancing Christ. 4 fucking hours for 6 damn matches. Either there's gonna be multiple throw away matches or a whole lot of dumbass segments. Those 6 matches can barely fill 3 hours.
The Usos vs. The Hype Bros. - 15 minutes
Rhyno & Heath Slater vs. The winners of the The Usos vs. The Hype Bros. match - 20 minutes
Randy Orton vs. Bray Wyatt - 25 Minutes
Nikki Bella vs. Becky Lynch vs. Carmella vs. Natalya vs. Alexa Bliss vs. Naomi - 25 Minutes
The Miz (c) vs. Dolph Ziggler - 20 Minutes
Dean Ambrose (c) vs. AJ Styles - 30 Minutes
That's probably about right when you factor in entrances and all. That's 135 Minutes, or 2 hours and 15 minutes. how in the ever living fuck are they gonna fill another 45 minutes?
Concert probably.
Quote from: Gravedigger on September 08, 2016, 12:25:10 AM
Hour and a half of Machine Gun Kelly?
Kill it, kill it with fire. Seriously though, what do they add. random Baron Corbin or Apollo Crews match to continue their kind of but not really push? Maybe add a good old fashioned 7 man battle royal?
Tonight's WWE SmackDown will take place from the Quicken Loans Arena in Cleveland, Ohio with more hype for October's No Mercy pay-per-view.
Tonight's TV main event will see WWE World Champion AJ Styles defend against Dean Ambrose. No other matches have been announced but WWE is focusing on the following points:
* Who will take the title into No Mercy?
* SmackDown LIVE's turbulent Women's division is stronger than ever
* What will be the fallout from Miz's controversial Intercontinental Title victory?
* When will Randy Orton finally square off against Bray Wyatt?
* Will The Usos end the fairy tale for 'Beauty and The Man Beast'?
please say someone else saw the Rhyno-claus bit from Talking Smack....funniest thing ive seen in a decade from WWE
https://streamable.com/jugq0
News For Tonight's WWE SmackDown And 205 Live - WrestleMania 33 Fallout, New Stars Debuting?, More
The post-WrestleMania 33 WWE SmackDown will take place tonight from the Amway Center in Orlando with more fallout from Sunday's Ultimate Thrill Ride.
No matches have been announced for tonight's SmackDown but we will see new WWE Champion Randy Orton and new SmackDown Women's Champion Naomi with their titles. Tonight's WWE 205 Live will see a WrestleMania celebration by WWE Cruiserweight Champion Neville plus a Fatal 4 Way #1 Contenders match with Austin Aries vs. Jack Gallagher vs. Mustafa Ali vs. TJ Perkins.
WWE is focusing on the following points for tonight's SmackDown:
* A phenomenal ascent by AJ Styles
* The Viper reigns yet again
* Will John Cena and Nikki Bella take time off to celebrate their engagement or will they return tonight?
* Team Blue is feeling the GLOW yet again
* More to come between The Lunatic Fringe and The Lone Wolf?
* Will any new talent emerge on Team Blue after The Revival debuted on RAW?
jagilki - Today at 9:06 PM
... No
Jinder already won.
pinned Zayne with the help of the Bollywood Boyz
...
And I went on thinking for two hours that Jag was just joking and not spoiling the show for me. Because this reads like a joke.
So...yeah.
I'm driving shotgun on the Mahalamania wagon .... ALL ABOARD!!!